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Aaron Sisemore
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From: Rockwall TX USA
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posted 08-08-2001 07:08 PM

>>I remember some prescreenings of Almost Famous.... ...and the concert scenes were great!!!<<

That is because in 'Almost Famous' the filmmakers wanted to recreate the illusion of 'actually being there', most likely at great expense. Not to mention that a lot of the sound FX for the 'crowd' and 'concert ambience' were likely added in post, making it very difficult or impossible to recreate the same illuion in realtime without spending a great deal of money, which I can assure you will never happen, as the whole idea of digital is to cut costs. In the end it will come across as a video on a big screen. Sorry but not even close to being there.

Aaron

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Scott Norwood
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posted 08-08-2001 07:29 PM

What Brad and Bob said. The idea that people will spend $20 to go to a movie theatre and watch a "live" concert on what is essentially a big-screen TV is really quite silly. People might do it once out of curiousity, but the concept isn't sustainable. Especially if the theatre has anything less than a concert-quality sound system. (BTW, the Mann Chinese [the one in LA...I've never been to Denver] is probably the worst-sounding THX house I've ever visited...it's really quite bad and gives THX a bad name.)

Further, as others have mentioned, this is going to cause huge problems with film distributors who don't want to see their product bumped from screens in favor of live "event" programming.

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Kyle Abel
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From: Plano, TX, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 08-09-2001 01:53 AM

My theatre is hosting one of the concert feeds. They haven't brought in the equipment yet, but once they do, I'll provide some specifics (as long as I'm not forced to sign a gag order). I do know it's a satallite "live" broadcast. "Live" meaning all the theatres will be receiving the signal at the exact same time, not live in the sense that it will come directly from the stage to the screen. I think the main "benefit" for the audience is there will be behind-the-scenes stuff filmed. I'll let you know how it goes.

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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From: Houston, TX, USA
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posted 08-09-2001 02:28 AM

Cinemark isnt the first to do this.
AMC did it last summer with the Rolling Rock Town Fair, they did a Tyson fight a while back, and they did it this summer with a Destiny's child show (which was taped and shown later).
I watched the Rolling Rock Town Fair broadcast and the video was just as you might guess....like watching a really big tv.
Picture quality was nowhere near that of film.
The sound was decent but nothing like being there.
It also didnt sell very well, and neither did the Destiny's Child show.
Im not sure about the Tyson fight

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Paul Konen
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posted 08-11-2001 12:51 AM

Kyle, I would be interested in seeing the setup if I could.

Just drop me line.

Paul

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Scott Norwood
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posted 08-11-2001 11:26 AM

I just realized that nowhere in this thread has the technological aspect been discussed. Does anyone know what type of video projector is being used? Is it one of the big DLP machines or something else? Is the video feed received in real time from the dish or is it recorded to tape (D5? some other format?) or hard disk and re-played later?

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Ian Price
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posted 08-11-2001 01:25 PM

If it is the same as we saw being demonstrated at ShoWest than it is for theatres that have the big DLP machine. I am certain that the program material will be distributed just as the Digital Cinema is distributed now. They will down load the information to a video server in some manner.

Being the veteran of several of United Artists wild schemes, I don't hold out much hope for this one. People go the movie theatres to see movies. For years major movie theatre owners have tried many things to make money with an idle movie theatre and mostly they don't work.

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Kyle Abel
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From: Plano, TX, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 08-12-2001 03:19 AM

As far as I know (and again they're coming Tuesday to install the projector) it's going to be something similar to an In-Focus projector (or the like) mounted either in the booth or in the last row of seats (neither of which works well for me, but we'll see what they do). They've already come and installed the satallite dish (Dish Network) and ran a cable through an air duct into the booth. I'll give you an update Tuesday.

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John Pytlak
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posted 08-14-2001 10:14 AM

Kyle ---

Hopefully the screenings involve more than a 1/2 metre Dish Network antenna and a AV-quality video projector! (AFAIK, InFocus doesn't make any really high-powered projectors, their largest LP930 is only 3200 lumens. Even the Proxima Pro AV 9350 at 5000 lumens would be dim on a big screen.)

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