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Gordon McLeod
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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
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 - posted 09-16-2001 09:24 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I did a bit of checking in Ontario a part time position (one that guarentees less than 38 hours per week) can not ask nor prevent an employee from seeking alternate work on nonworking hours even at the competition. They can be displined if they discus business with the compition but the phrase "chineese walls" comes up
Since many part timers are on unemployment insurance it is an offense for an employer to do anything that prevents a claiment from topping up there hours to be off insurance claims includeing requireing competitors to schedule accordingly.
It seems that it is felt that the benfits to the overall social econiomic system outway any individual companys interests

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 09-16-2001 09:31 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Don quote "Kids don't see it as management see's it."

I am not a kid, unless 31 constitutes a kid in your eyes. I also have 15 years management under my belt. In addition, Sean's comment above is absolutely correct, for there are many 18 year olds who do a better job than people who are 50 and have been in this business for 30+ years, so let's cut the age crap.

It's your theater and as such you do whatever you like, but the bottom line is that what that employee did off of your timeclock is none of your damn business. You are not God, you do not own him and you have no right to control his life. So big deal if the competition knows you brought in X amount of dollars in concession sales. Exactly how does that hurt or help your sales? It doesn't. It hurts neither of your businesses any more than knowing how much each one of you brought in the box office for a given movie, and that's somewhat public information anyway. Again, he obviously KNEW you would overreact, just like you have, which is why he kept it from you.

Granted all of this is opinions, right down from you terminating this guy to my comments above, but since you've asked this on a public forum, now perhaps you will see the other side of the argument before you go punishing other employees because they did not ask permission of their ruler before partaking in another job on their own personal time. I would be very embarassed and ashamed if we were part of the same management team for your closed-mindedness.

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Darryl Spicer
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years ago I worked two jobs....I worked my regular job at the indoor theater were i worked 40 hour weeks and I worked at the drive-in on fri sat and sun evenings.....everyone knew i worked for different competitors and no one had any problems with it....I did this for three months.

I have to agree with brad on the fact that it is no ones business what I do outside the theater.....as long as I make it in to work and I am able to give 100% to the job, no one should be complaining.

It's no different than someone who has two jobs and they happen to be at a mcdonalds and wendys.....as long as you do the job it shouldn't matter.

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Jim Ziegler
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 - posted 09-17-2001 04:29 AM      Profile for Jim Ziegler   Email Jim Ziegler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brad,

What your employees do, on the clock and off, can have signifigant legal ramifications on the organization. IT IS THE EMPLOYERS BUISNESS IF THE EMPLOYEE IS DOING SOMETHING WHICH CAN EFFECT THE EMPLOYER.... Remember those background checks we all have to go through before becomming managers?

What can a floor staffer do? Reveal expansion plans perhaps? Perhaps he decides he likes one theatre over another and decides to sabotage operatons, etc...

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Jerry Chase
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 - posted 09-17-2001 08:58 AM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"I have to agree with Brad on the fact that it is no ones business what I do outside the theater....."

Unfortunately, this might be the moral high ground, but it often is not true. Any employee that agrees to random drug testing as a prequirement of employment is allowing the owner of the company to have an unreasonable say in their "outside" life. I would have no particular problem with random or periodic drug testing, IF it were applied equally from top to bottom, with the owners and stockholders having to submit and suffer consequences equal to those imposed on hourly employees. I've seen too many people in high positions with drug habits to perceive the intentions of these invasions of privacy as anything but mercinary -- "I won't allow my employees to use drugs because they might steal to support their habits. I need that money for my own habit."

Besides, my pee is mine. If you want me to save it for you, or you think you have a pressing need to have it examined, I gotta think you are sick in the head.

Other outside activities can often be seen as affecting an employer.
Some companies require a commitment to social service as an unstated requirement for continued employment and advancement. On the other end of the spectrum, a pedophile might not be the best choice to usher a matinee show. A klansman might not be the best hire in an inner city theatre. I state these examples because they are forms of socially acceptable employment discrimination based on outside activities that are largely unchallenged in the courts. The cold hard facts are that many businesses, especially small family owned businesses discriminate outrageously based on religion, social standing, race, and many other factors, but hide it from outsiders. In the real world, it does matter to many employers what a person does outside their job.

To me, in the situation described, it seems like the underlying problem was not one of working two jobs but of deception. Obviously this person needs to be out of theatres and into politics where he can govern us.

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Scott Norwood
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I know it's a different issue, but I feel quite strongly that drug testing in the workplace is almost always an unreasonable violation of worker privacy. I can accept it for jobs where there is a public safety issue (airline pilots, truck drivers, etc.), but I would oppose it for jobs where there is no compelling reason for it and would refuse to work for any company which imposed such a restriction arbitrarily.

I will add here that I don't use drugs, have never used drugs, and don't intend to use drugs in the future. This doesn't change the fact that whether an employee uses drugs on his own time is none of the employer's business unless (as mentioned above) there is a safety issue involved. As long as it doesn't affect job performance, it should be a nonissue. If it begins to adversely affect job performance, then the performance issues should be dealt with as such and use or non-use of drugs should be a nonissue in any decision to fire an employee. (And, yes, I would consider showing up to work drunk or an an "altered" state to be poor job performance and deserving of firing.)

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John Pytlak
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I worked as a projectionist for a drive-in and a hardtop in a small town concurrently for three years. Yes, they were competitors. But I did not share business information between the two theatres. IMHO, the only conflict of interest would be someone in a management position, or someone who was deliberately "spying" on the marketing strategy of the competitor.

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Ethan Harper
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 - posted 09-17-2001 12:02 PM      Profile for Ethan Harper   Email Ethan Harper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What business is it of yours to know what your employees do on their days off.
the great thing about living in
America is that you have the freedom to do what you want. You say that it does if it your directly effects your business. Is your theater losing money in any way as a result to this? Are you personally losing business because he works another job? Have people decided to go to antoher theater just because one employee is working as a second job somewhere else? it needs to be looked at as working a second job which a lot of us do and should have that right. Do you know the stiuatation that this person might be in? He might need that extra cash. Would have it been any different if he came up to you first? I still dont see why it matters at all. it is his business and he is allowed to do whatever he wants on his time off. To get extra income or whatever the case may be. He is not your responsibility at that point. No offesnse, I think you took it way too seriously instead of looking at the situation at hand.

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Brad Miller
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Jim said "What can a floor staffer do? Reveal expansion plans perhaps? Perhaps he decides he likes one theatre over another and decides to sabotage operatons, etc..."

My initial response is that anyone worried about things like this needs to start treating their employees with a bit more respect. Oh no, the competition is going to add 4 more screens? Oh no, the competition is going to build another theater in the next town? It sounds to me like the world may well explode from such knowledge and such talk MUST be stopped! Oh please. Half the time I know about other theater's expansions and closings before the managers do at that theater anyway.

The only valid argument I've seen against invading an employee's right to privacy on his time off is the one above about possibly sabotaging the competition's operations. But then again, if the theater with the tyrant ruler in charge would just treat their employees like human beings, that wouldn't happen now would it? No it would not. Perhaps it is time for some management teams to re-evaluate whether they are treating their staff like shit or not.


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Dennis Atkinson
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 - posted 09-17-2001 04:12 PM      Profile for Dennis Atkinson   Author's Homepage   Email Dennis Atkinson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The Film-Tech Quote of the week "I treat all my employees as a team.
No one is better than the next."

I thought the cold war was over, comrade.

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Christopher M. Belch
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 - posted 09-17-2001 06:10 PM      Profile for Christopher M. Belch   Author's Homepage   Email Christopher M. Belch   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think our institute is ok with second jobs, so long as they dont interfere with your work schedule at our theater. That is part of free choice, something we have here in America. If you cant make what you need at one place, either because of hours or pay, then why not get a second job? And if your primary employer has a problem with this, then perhaps he or she should consider why you got the second job. Just my two cents.

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Joshua Voorhies
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 - posted 09-18-2001 01:36 AM      Profile for Joshua Voorhies   Author's Homepage   Email Joshua Voorhies   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have to agree with Brad. I think Ziegler is being a little (ha ha) paranoid.
I'm sure the competition would figure out the four screen expansion anyways. I would notice if I saw a construction crew at a theatre, but that's just me.
As for sabotage; I don't see someone sabotaging simply because they work for a competing company. Sabatuers would have a grudge against management. Of course, if I turned pissing people off into the high volume business Ziegler has, I'd be paranoid too.
And let's face it: the only thing theatres have going for them is that they're *usually* a fun place to work. They don't pay squat, and the hours are iffy because you need a large number of people on the weekend but not the rest of the week. Many people need the extra hours and are forced to find them someone else.
While I think it's best employees be honest, let's face it: some managers are jerks. If you know your boss is paranoid, mean, or Ziegler, it might be in your best interest to keep certain things to yourself.

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Brad Miller
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Joshua, while I'm glad you can see my side of the argument, let's please refrain from any direct personal attacks against other members. (Save that for non-members. )


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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 09-18-2001 02:18 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, save that kind of talk not only for non-members, but people who register and then decide never to participate!

C'mon everybody! We won't bite! And if someone does, their ass will be kicked by Dwayne Caldwell. We keep him locked up most of the time, and release him only when absolutely necessary.

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Jim Ziegler
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 - posted 09-19-2001 02:30 AM      Profile for Jim Ziegler   Email Jim Ziegler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Voorhies..

You are way the hell out of line. We'll discuss this on Thursday..


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