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Sean Weitzel
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From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall)
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 - posted 09-30-2001 02:56 AM      Profile for Sean Weitzel   Email Sean Weitzel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jesse's got a point. I cannot remember ever seeing a single IMAX presentation at any theater that kept the lights down and or allowed people to stay during the credits. The PA announcement is common as well. Very frustrating.

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Charles Everett
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"Becoming common practice"? I came across this problem three times in less than a month.

The first time was for All About My Mother at the Montgomery Cinema arthouse in Rocky Hill NJ (north of Princeton). This was in March 2000 on the Saturday before the movie won the foreign-language Oscar. All About My Mother has a long, slow end-credits crawl. The booth took it upon itself to shut the show down before the end. Not only that, there were no trailers before the feature and the sound cut out 3 times in the middle. The theater did have room for rolling stock adverts though. I have not been back to that theater since.

After the Oscar win the Regal in East Windsor NJ picked up All About My Mother for the following weekend. I go there and -- sure enough -- the booth cuts off the show before the end credits are finished. What's more, that particular Regal is a stadium but only in 12 of the 15 halls. All About My Mother got put into a non-stadium hall.

The third time? Ghost Dog -- at the AMC Empire in NYC the weekend that Times Square megaplex opened (April 2000). There was no studio ID at the beginning and no end credits at all. Turns out AMC got a circuited print from another theater that must have chewed the bejeesus out of it. I got passes when I complained to AMC about the screwup.

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Gordon McLeod
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basically they are not supposed to bring the lights up or make the anouncement until the credits finish
But then with the growth of the comercial IMAX theatres the standards have been continously dropping

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Frank Rapisardi
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At a drive-in that I once worked at;it was common practice to cut the end credits.Saves time go home early(That's what the manager would say) In the Fall we would even start the co-feature with reel #2,thenstart selling tickets.Again(Saves time ,go home early) But I always did what I was told! Good little me!

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Evans A Criswell
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quote:

At a drive-in that I once worked at;it was common practice to cut the end credits.Saves time go home early(That's what the manager would say) In the Fall we would even start the co-feature with reel #2,thenstart selling tickets.Again(Saves time ,go home early) But I always did what I was told! Good little me!

You mean that the people didn't get to see the first reel of a movie that they were paying to see? I hope I'm misunderstanding something about this, but if the management's primary goal is to go home early, why not just show one entire movie per night with nothing else and close afterwards, or better yet, with that attitude, just get a day job and close the theatre?

Fortunately, I have seldom had any problems watching credits in the local theatres. Many times, I leave as the credits start but if I want to see the credits, either because I want to see information about a certain song I liked from the movie, suspect that a joke scene may be in or after the credits, or for some silly reason want to see the masking move back to flat position after a scope film at Carmike 10, by gosh it's my right to watch them and feel that it is part of the movie experience that I have a right to see in return for buying a ticket.

Occasionally, projectors have been shut off before credits have been done, or ushers have come in and turned on auditorium lights during the credits, which I will deduct for in my rating system. I've never been forced out during credits, though. If that happened during credits I wanted to see for one or more of the above reasons, I would definitely not use my "no more than 2 points deduction for anything happening during the credits" rule and deduct more heavily for it.

In the "Projection Quality Review system changes" thread in the Film-Handler's forum, in my opening post, I have an example review from one particular attendance, and one of the deductions is "projector shut off about 10 seconds after credits began" (-2) . The problem code for that is "C" (credits not shown in entirety). Since the projector shut off 10 seconds into the credits, I didn't even have time to get up and leave before they were shut off. If they'd waited 15 more seconds, they may have gotten away with it.

Customers must not give in to these types of practices and let their opinions be known. Customers have already come to expect a certain amount of carelessness and sloppiness in presentation as the norm, as well as ushers coming in an cleaning the instant that credits start. If customers remain apathetic, these trends will continue. Carmike looks at my site (hits from carmike.com appear in WWW logs) occasionally and I'm sure they see my reviews of presentations at their two local theatres (currently 125 presentations reviewed from their two theatres here). It is a feedback mechanism, and it's a shame that the theatre companies don't have good mechanisms to support reporting problems with the level of detail that I use on my site. Regal's "comment card" is better than nothing, but is limited (due to the 255 character limitation). Carmike does not appear to have any real mechanism for reporting presentation problems on their site.

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Evans A Criswell
Huntsville-Decatur Movie Theatre Information Site


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Sean McKinnon
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At my theatre we wait until everyone leaves before entering the auditorium. We stand outside and THANK EACH AND EVERY GUEST FOR COMING. I think it adds a nice touch. It also makes it easy for people to report a problem without having to search someone out.

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--Sean McKinnon
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Danvers, Mass
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Frank Rapisardi
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Evans,When you said "I think or hope I'm missing something" in regards to me starting the show in the fall with reel #2;you're not.That is exactly what we did.As far as I know there were no complaints or perhaps very few. Maybe this is another reason why this drive in is now a Home Depot.Actually the reason it's a Home Depot is that we were paid 15 million for the land.

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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Shut down cue is always place at the begining of the rating at our theater. Very simple. End of story, and the presentation.

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Will Kutler
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At my old theater, we never, never shut down credits early! Generally speaking, if a screen was a madhouse because of an opening "blockbuster" we would simply bring up the houselights and janitor lights so that the floor people could get a head start--and this was only done if the theater was empty of patrons.

Company policy was to run a flic even if the screen was empty--you never know when someone will come in. If the screen was empty, then I would get permission to run it with the bulb off to save hours and $$--and if we did have a late commer, then I would simply strike the bulb.

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Leo Enticknap
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When I was a projectionist I would not even raise the house lights during credits unless specifically asked to do so by a manager. They are part of the film and that's that.

Another argument for keeping them off is that the emergency (maintained) lighting in a cinema should be bright enough for customers to see their way out in the event of a power failure. If they can see their way out during a power failure then they can see their way out during the end credits. Therefore by keeping the house lights off during the credits you are testing the emergency lights during every show and making sure that they're doing their job properly.

If keeping all house lights off during credits results in a significant number of complaints from people who can't see their way out, then imagine what it would be like in a smoke-filled auditorium during a power cut.

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Carl King
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 - posted 10-07-2001 07:28 AM      Profile for Carl King   Email Carl King   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A movie should run on your screen until the very end of all credits.
I'm in Canada and the rating bands do not apply here so I either cut them out or cue the picture to stop before the rating hits the screen depending on where it is on the print.

Show it all, boys and girls, that's what the patron is paying for and besides ..it's only good projection


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Ken Lackner
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Amen!

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Gerard S. Cohen
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Once at the end of the last show the auditorium was empty and the usher brought up the house lights for the cleaners. I checked through the booth port that the house was empty, then turned off the lamp to begin the ten minute cooling period before opening the breakers, which was my practice to prolong the Xenon's life by not trapping
its heat at closing.
But I was unaware that a patron was standing in the doorway under the booth, reading the credits. She went down the block and across the street to complain to the manager at our sister theatre.
Sometimes you have to watch out for what you can't see...

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