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Dennis Benjamin
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Denton, MD
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 - posted 10-31-2002 10:23 PM      Profile for Dennis Benjamin   Author's Homepage   Email Dennis Benjamin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's all a friggin conspiracy!

Every 'rule' that the film distributors have set in the U.S. (zoning, split product, etc.) is being broken somewhere out there. I have managed theatres in over 30 cities and seen every 'rule' being broken somewhere. There are theatres out there -right across the street from each other- that are playing 'day and date' with each other. It is all a political process - much like our government. As long as the film companies control it - there is nothing we can do about it. My only advice - is to build a theatre where there is NO competition - whatsoever. And that is getting pretty impossible these days.

Think about it - we are paying an average of OVER 55% of the reciepts back to the distributors now. We are simply THEIR pawns in THEIR game.
We just have to deal with it.

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Brent Mahaney
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From: Bowling Green, Kentucky, USA
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 - posted 11-03-2002 08:25 PM      Profile for Brent Mahaney     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The mystery will never be solved. All I can tell you is that in our split-market, we have movies in their third and fourth week of release that regularly and SIGNIFICANTLY outgross the competition's opening weekends. I have had customers yell at me because they don't understand that we have virtually no control over what we get in this market. They are angry that they can't see it in a theatre that is FAR superior to the competition. People in my community feel like they deserve a nice place to see the movies they want to see. And what can I say? "Well, Ma'am, we are in a split-market. Let me explain to you how it works." It doesn't work. The reason it doesn't work is because it doesn't make any sense to them...or to ME, for that matter.

Look...bottom line. Competition forces companies to work to be the best at what they do. When there are rules in place that ensure the dumpy theatres will get the big pictures, the patrons lose. It's a shame.

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 11-04-2002 06:00 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What about when they force you to take something you don't want to get something you do? This is all illegal isn't it?

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Stephen Jones 1
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From: Tulsa, OK, USA
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 - posted 11-07-2002 12:26 AM      Profile for Stephen Jones 1   Author's Homepage   Email Stephen Jones 1   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I run a theatre in Conway, AR and our competition is less than spectacular. We have customers that call and ask if we get a certain movie and when I tell them that we won't get it, they get upset and tell me that they'll wait for it to come out on video. Sometimes we play a print after our competition and then our customers will wait to see it at my theatre. It really is sad, because of the following:

I play Santa Clause 2 so THEY get Treasure Planet
I played Hannibal so THEY get Die Another Day
I played the first Harry Potter so THEY get Harry 2
I played Austin Powers 3 so THEY get LOTR:2 Towers

My employees and customers are upset. I've thought about getting some phone numbers of distributors and telling customers to call them and complain about the situation. I've also heard one customer asking about a petition. You think if I sent a petition signed by X amount of people that the distributors would listen. People don't like the other theatre.

That's my two cents...

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Mike Spaeth
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 - posted 11-07-2002 11:53 AM      Profile for Mike Spaeth   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Spaeth   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Stephen -

The best thing that you can do is to stay on top of the situation. I used to be in the same type of situation in Mankato, MN (we work for the same company, I believe). In Mankato, I had an 8-screen, but we split product w/ 2 4-screen Carmikes. Have you ever noticed how the allocations tend to be "feast" or "famine"? Create a relationship with your competitor's manager so that you can call on Mondays and find out what he's dropping. During your famine periods, pay attention - he will always be dropping stuff you can "move over" because of his feast. Call your booker first thing Tuesday (your booker is NL, I believe, he's very helpful ... helps me get subrun product here ASAP), and ask if you can move over the decent title. Once the distributors start seeing that a movie grosses more at your theater after the move-over, they will start playing more product there. To give you some examples from Mankato ...

2001 Buena Vista
played Pearl Harbor AND Monsters, Inc.

2001 Universal
Cinemark - Mummy Returns, Fast & Furious, Jurassic Park 3, K-PAX, Spy Game, Beautiful Mind
Carmike - Head Over Heels, Josie/Pussycats, American Pie 2, Captain Corelli's Mandolin, Musketeer

2002 Sony Summer
Cinemark - Spider-man, Mr. Deeds, Men In Black II, XXX
Carmike - Stuart Little 2, The New Guy, Master of Disguise

You can definitely get them to play a good portion of their better product at your theater, but it takes a little bit of work. Email me if you want some more tips.

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Charles Everett
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 - posted 11-13-2002 11:11 AM      Profile for Charles Everett   Email Charles Everett   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Stephen 1: I'm surprised your theater wasn't given Harry Potter this year. Generally if you're in a competitive zone and you opened Harry Potter last year Warner Bros. will let you open the sequel.

Look to lower Manhattan: The UA Union Square splits product with the Village East, two Loews multiplexes and four arthouses. UA opened Harry Potter last year and will do so again this year.


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Mike Spaeth
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 - posted 11-13-2002 10:44 PM      Profile for Mike Spaeth   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Spaeth   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Charles -

That depends on the zone. It also depends on whether you played the "A" picture from Warner Bros. this summer, Scooby-Doo. I'd be willing to bet Stephen's theatre played Scooby-Doo this summer. Warners is not going to allocate 3 "A" pictures in a row to the same theater in a 50-50 product split.

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Charles Everett
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 - posted 11-14-2002 12:12 PM      Profile for Charles Everett   Email Charles Everett   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mike S: The UA Union Square also opened Scooby-Doo.

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John Carpenter
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 - posted 11-26-2002 12:51 PM      Profile for John Carpenter   Email John Carpenter   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
From Steven's "competition", the originator of this topic... I guess what goes around comes around. Last year we got Harry Potter & LOTR. This year they have them both, and we get all of the upset people complaining that they "only want to see the film at our theatre." I too wish that we could both have all the films, or at least we could both get the "big" ones to make the customers happier.

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Charles Everett
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Update to an earlier post: In New Haven CT the York Square Cinemas goes Bowling for Columbine after all. Their booker must have bitched long and loud to MGM about the allocations.

Also, the York Square opened Solaris since National Amusements is not playing that picture in the New Haven area.

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Mike Spaeth
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Charles - either that or they "moved it over" from the competition when they finaled it.

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John Carpenter
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 - posted 10-18-2003 02:10 PM      Profile for John Carpenter   Email John Carpenter   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just out of curiosity mostly... who decides if 2 theatres will run the same product? The exhibitor (theatre owners) or the distributors (studios). Does an exhibitor even have a choice?

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 10-18-2003 06:47 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Upon rereading...

Think about it - we are paying an average of OVER 55% of the reciepts back to the distributors now

Um....so? What portion of vehicle sales receipts does your Ford dealer remit back to Ford? The Exxon franchisee back to Exxon?

You get to keep $45 out of every $100 which is, in a manner of speaking, an approximate 82% markup on the product that lures the people in so they will buy concession items even more massively marked up and view commercials for additional profit. And your complaint is?

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Paul G. Thompson
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OOPS! Please delete.

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Dustin Mitchell
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 - posted 10-20-2003 01:52 AM      Profile for Dustin Mitchell   Email Dustin Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I can't help but think how the eventual implementation of digital projection will change the booking landscape. A major factor that keeps two theatres that are in the same 'zone' from playing the same title is the additional cost to the distributor of striking additional prints. Once everything is satelite/dvd/whatever instead of on film this cost will largely disapear. I can't think of any logical reason from a studio perspective to continue making theatres split product once this happens.

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