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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 11-13-2001 08:02 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A VCR should come very close to maintaining perfect sync, as should a DVD player and CD player. A regular cassette recorder will have a problem, although crystal sync recorders (Nagra, etc.) do exist and should be able to properly resolve a tape recorded with a sync or timecode track. Some turntables are crystal-controlled to run at exactly 33 1/3 or 45 RPM and should also do fine.

Actually, of all of the devices that have been mentioned here, I'd be more concerned about the film projector not keeping sync than about the VCR, CD player, etc.

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Tao Yue
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 - posted 11-13-2001 08:58 PM      Profile for Tao Yue   Author's Homepage   Email Tao Yue   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Of course, with the 1998 DTS-timecoded prints of Wizard, projector synchronization becomes simple. Would still have to get copyright clearance, though.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 11-14-2001 12:15 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I just don't see how these repertory prints can maintain sync after the first reel. I mean we all know how many MORONS chop off frame after frame when they are building/breaking down prints. Also, on changeover theaters there will typically be several frames lost in the switch from reel to reel. (Except of course for Steve. )

Also, what happens if the guy starting the cd player is a second too late? Many cd players will not allow a quick "skip" forward.

(Disclaimer: I've never seen this combination of "The Dark Side of the Wiz", but have been told that the sync is amazingly perfect with a brand new print and no frames missing.


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Mark Lensenmayer
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Last year, Turner Classic Movies showed WIZARD OF OZ with the Pink Floyd track on the SAP channel. I recorded it but never watched it.

I wouldn't think you would have to worry much about having super-precise sync as you wouldn't have to worry about lip movements.


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Bill Enos
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Synch doesn't need to be dead on, this ain't lip synch, it's just music moving approximatly with the picture & scene changes, though it was uncanny at the first repeat to see all 4 characters look up on the second heartbeat. An imbecile can press 2 pause release buttons at the same time to start 2 cd players. Using 2 players, if the first gets off too much due to film splicing etc. the second machine be cued to the film using headphones and the crossfader moved to take out the first machine and the second in with no interruption and nearly no noticable change, we tried it before the show be sure it would work well.

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