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Author Topic: Moving prints is killing my back Craig Hanham Film Handler Posts: 79 From: Wellington, New Zealand Registered: Oct 2001 posted 02-06-2002 09:51 PM                     Not that I have to move made up prints but the whole 2 man and or trolley idea is good. My background as a labourer has taught me the wisdom of moving things properly. At 6'2 and 240 pounds I dont have many problems with most stufff but do know about persistant back pain from dumb tricks. You will find in most Health and Safety policies around the world that anything over 30kg (66lbs) should be a 2 person lift. In the airfreight world it is as low as 25kg (55lbs)(i think might be wrong). My point is (at last) no job is worth spending the rest of your life in chronic pain. Once you start causing injury to the back muscles and spinal alignment unless you do some radical re-education and physio you are in for a hell of a rest of your likfe.  |  IP: Logged Kevin Baglow Expert Film Handler Posts: 135 From: Yeppoon Qld, Australia Registered: Dec 2000 posted 02-07-2002 04:16 AM                        My back problems started 15 years ago (carrying a big tv down a ladder..it went backwards) any wy the problem is over..WHY: (1)Keeping wait down (2) water & juice fasts for 3 days ....now & then (3)white sugger is the killer of the back..especially in cold weather cya at show west? -Kevin  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 12-12-2004 03:52 AM                 It has been 1038 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Chris Brown Expert Film Handler Posts: 105 From: Fairport, NY, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-12-2004 03:52 AM                        I work at a Regal and yes, the beaver board pizza platters with the 4 wheel cart work very well. All you do is slip the board under the print, safely guide it down to the cart level (about as tall as the bottom platter). The only time we use two people is if the print is on the top platter, and is at least 6 reels. If you're experienced, you can get away with doing everything else on your own. Big prints on the middle platter can be tricky, but usually manageable. Of course there are always exceptions....my best friend who used to work in booth with me was able to move 7 and 8 reel prints off the top, no problem. I always got nervous when he did. But he always did it fine, without even the ring coming out of place. Its all about the leverage I suppose. Anyways just thought I'd share, even a few years after the fact.  |  IP: Logged Chase Hanson Expert Film Handler Posts: 172 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-12-2004 04:05 AM                     RubberMaid Cart We have two carts similar to this in our booth that are to be used for the transportation of prints. We have a couple short stair cases and tight spots where the carts cant go so two persons should be moving the print at those times (min. of one Projectionist). Except for me, i'm friggin 'special'. Even though im friggin 'special', ill still walk to the other end of the booth to get a cart, because I can do stacks which ultimately saves more time.  |  IP: Logged David Yauch Expert Film Handler Posts: 206 From: Mesa, AZ, USA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-12-2004 04:32 AM                     Move a print by yourself here and you'll regret it. We have a print cart available with a couple racks on it so you can move multiple prints without stacking. Our GM worked projection at one point in time so he knows what he's doing when it comes to enforcing rules in the booth, and he's ready to argue with anyone who tries to tell him to do otherwise. It's two people at all times, and no screwing around.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-12-2004 12:00 PM                     Also remember: If you move a print improperly you are liable to get "sideways cinch marks" all through the print. If you pick up a print and the layers of film rub together as you lift/carry it you risk making marks that look like cinch marks that you get from pulling on the end of the film on a reel except that they go sideways. Make sure the print is wound up nice and tight. Tape the tail of the film down. Clamp it up with at least 4 clamps evenly spaced around the print. Use a "pizza board" if you have one. Always have a helper. Use a cart to move the print from place to place. Only lift the print from the platter, to the cart or vice versa. Don't carry it the whole way. Make sure you pick the print up and put it down as evenly as you can to prevent it from flexing and rubbing the layers together. If you can talk your boss into getting you a Goldberg ShowShipper platter reel, all's the better.  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-13-2004 03:22 AM                        all of which may be impossible depending on the booth layout and equipment. we have stairs, narrow doorways, old aw3's with fixed brains that take up loosely (and one aw3r that's better). amazingly, we really never have had a problem with lateral cinching. until just the other day, when i saw them on finding neverland. at some point i do want to get some sort of cookie sheet thing going, if i can figure out how to make it. carl  |  IP: Logged Jarrod Cocker Film Handler Posts: 33 From: a Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-13-2004 07:42 AM                    We have a Trolley Device which is extremely easy to use, and you only need one person to move a film. We had a Print of 'The Leopard' (1964ish) a couple of weeks ago - 12 Spools, no problem.. Because its going to be hard to explain how it works, I'm just going to take a pic of it tomorrow night, and then post the pic (If thats ok) When i get home.... Till then, bye bye [ 12-14-2004, 08:31 AM: Message edited by: Jarrod Cocker ]  |  IP: Logged Jarrod Cocker Film Handler Posts: 33 From: a Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-14-2004 08:30 AM                    Our Trolley - great for a single projection room: ^The Trolley... The Silver Lever on the right can be 'pumped' to move the board up, whilst at the bottom of the lever, there is a foot pedal, which, when pressed, takes the board down As you can see - Most films fit easily - This Print is Bridget Jones: The Edge of reason... We also use this trolley as a temp work area, to remove and add trailers / Films adds etc (remove the ring, and work from the centre) I took another couple of pics which i'll post if someone else asks - I didnt post them because i dont think your allowed to post more than 2..  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-14-2004 11:13 AM                        The "Trolley" or other boards under the print are a good way to safely move a full print. Be sure to keep the surfaces clean and free of dirt or anything that may damage the sidewall of the print.  |  IP: Logged Eric Webb Film Handler Posts: 40 From: Atlanta GA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-18-2004 12:18 PM                     I've seen prints moved with two projectionist the best way to do it any other way seems to cause problems. for movies like LOTR its a back killer  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-19-2004 03:36 AM                     Actually, moving LOTR was quite easy: just move the entire deck,either the AW3R's, or the Strong's A3/AP3 platters (anything else, please disregard..). Forget about trying to move these big prints with a board,clamps or busting down 3 reels for a board/clamp move-lotsa work unneeded. Just grabbed an employee to help you move the deck, making sure that the receiving platter has a deck removed to receive that deck with that big print on it. Say, "1,2,3" and both lift at the same time to release the deck from the spindle. Up she comes without a hitch and an easy move is in progess to the receiving spindle. We did the same with that 18reeler "Gods and Generals" That was BIG! Trick about moving prints with boards, is to have a carrying handle slot in the middle so when carrying that print, the weight is alongside of you and down, not in front of you. The board has to have a support board at the end to "cradle" the print on the board when carrying in the vertical position. thx-Monte  |  IP: Logged Ever Gonzalez Film Handler Posts: 29 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-19-2004 08:57 AM                     There is no way moving the platters would fit in our booth. Carts barely fit and tilting the print sideways is a must. Two people at all times when you have a booth with cramped space.  |  IP: Logged

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