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Dick Vaughan
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 - posted 04-21-2002 06:34 AM      Profile for Dick Vaughan   Author's Homepage   Email Dick Vaughan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I saw Episode 1 ,first show opening date, in my local multiplex as we weren't due to screen it for 6 weeks. Call me sad if you like.

3 minutes in there was lovely green emulsion scratching down one side.
I went to "contact" the projectionist via the wonderfully helpful front of house staff to be told that "the projectionist would attend to it when he got back from one of the other booths"

When I pointed out that 300 people had paid to see this new print on the first day and the print was already trashed the cheery spotty youth told me that it didn't matter there was another print running two screens down.

I left at that point and have not returned since

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Christopher Duvall
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Dick Vaughn stated:
"When I pointed out that 300 people had paid to see this new print on the first day and the print was already trashed the cheery spotty youth told me that it didn't matter there was another print running two screens down."

This is why Lucas is an advocate of digital cinema even though the technology is not ready for prime time yet. There seems to be no pride anymore...

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Kelsey Black
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As a General Manager and a Projectionist concerned with giving the best quality presentation possible, digital projection definately has it's appealing qualities. However, at this point in the game, the financial aspect of it is prohibitive. Also, I have seen demos of digital projection before, and until I can get AT LEAST 4k x 2k resolution, I'm not interested. Also, I haven't seen a demo that was on a screen larger than 15' wide, so I'll probably have to bump my figure up when I see something in a closer to real-life situation.
Other things that keep me from being TOO interested in digital projection: data compression, total cost of ownership, life-cycle duration, and obsolescence.

Now for my 2 cents regarding Episode 2: for the time being, but possibly changing, I am on Fox's low grossing list. Therefore, it is impossible for me to get EP2 on release. Myself and my film booker were speaking tonight, and neither of us could remember off the top of our heads for certain when EP1 was made available to low grossers... anyone know?
Anyone know, or have a reasonable guesstimate of when to expect EP2 in my greedy little fingers (as well as other low-grossers)?
Maybe if EP2 is made in a super-wide release, the gap might not be so painfully long.

Hmm, I wonder if George is concerned enough with presentation quality to give me a new print, rather than the most damaged one (first to go) from the StuporPlex that got 5 prints on release.
ah, but I can dream, can't I?

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John Pytlak
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Christopher Duvall said: "This is why Lucas is an advocate of digital cinema even though the technology is not ready for prime time yet. There seems to be no pride anymore."

IMHO, "Film Done Right" is far superior to today's digital cinema systems for image quality. Unfortunately, there's enough "film done wrong" to make digital cinema seem better in some cases. I'm not encouraged, because I've seen plenty of "digital done wrong" already too.

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Ian Price
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I believe that Lucas did Star Wars all in digital for a few reasons.

1. Since the film has so many Computer Generated effects, like almost all the backgrounds, why not shoot the actors in digital to facilitate integrating the images.

2. Using digital for the live action is less expensive than film only in the respect of skipping a step to integrate with the C.G.

3. As long as the film is produced and edited digitally, then why not present it in that way as well, if you are able.

I am sure if you were to ask him, he would say that digital production has it's place but that it is not the ultimate replacement for film. I am also pretty certain that if he were to direct a live action film that didn't require any C.G. that he would consider using film.

This is all speculation on my part. Remember, this is a man who loves film. And it's his party he can shoot in Pixel Vision if he wants to.

In my experience, movies produced digitally look very good presented digitally. And while movies that are produced on film and presented digitally usually loose a lot in the translation, they still look ok as long as you aren’t too close and comparing it to the original film. So I am sure that Attack of the Clones will look great on film and digital.

I also believe that jumping whole hog in to digital production would be a very bad thing. I am also not in a great big rush to purchase a digital projector. My 1960 era Simplex projectors are running quite well, thank you.

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Michael Barry
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...but imagine if 70MM origination had taken place? Sure, it would have cost more to scan those images into a computer, etc, but if it can be done for IMAX resolution then 70MM quality output shouldn't be a problem.

So while it would cost more, take longer, be more cumbersome, etc...imagine the results!


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John Pytlak
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Michael Barry said: "Sure, it would have cost more to scan those images into a computer, etc, but if it can be done for IMAX resolution then 70MM quality output shouldn't be a problem."

Agreed. Nothing wrong with "Digital Done Right". I'm really looking forward to "Stuart Little 2", which reportedly uses 4K for scanning the original 35mm film (mostly Kodak VISION Expression 500T Color Negative Film 5284), and 4K for recording back out onto film. Likewise, the digital reformatting of "Beauty and the Beast" looks very good on a huge 70mm IMAX screen.

With today's sharp color negative films and high resolution "digital intermediate", Kodak's Dr. Roger Morton has shown that today's 35mm color negative film will be able to match the quality of 65mm negative film printed to 70mm prints:
http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/students/onCampus/oct2001/dfm.shtml

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Bobby Henderson
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I don't know. Whenever I hear the claims about what today's 35mm film negatives can do versus 65mm, I always think of the most obvious question: why not use that new super-duper emulsion on 65mm film negative stock? Why not produce in 65mm?

I think it is very good "Stuart Little 2" is using a 4K standard for digital work instead of a puny 2K standard. This is long overdue considering the brute force power of current computer rendering farm technology. Some of the first CGI work done for film was recorded out at 4K over a decade ago using computers less powerful than the ones sitting on most of our desks. At least 4K resolution will do some justice for 35mm film prints.

Now if only some film production can get the guts to shoot a movie in 70mm and do any CGI work for that in a level of sharpness worthy for that large format.

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John Pytlak
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Bobby Henderson said: "why not use that new super-duper emulsion on 65mm film negative stock? Why not produce in 65mm?"

I agree that the ultimate quality will use 65mm negative --- to paraphrase the ads for "Godzilla", "Size DOES matter!".

But Kodak's work in this area gives great promise of significant increases in the quality of images originated on 35mm film, because 35mm film already can support such high resolution digital enhancement.

BTW, ironically, "Godzilla" used the smaller image area of Super-35 rather than anamorphic origination, and it showed on the screen:
http://us.imdb.com/Technical?0120685

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Paul Cassidy
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What an honour for 2 Kiwis to be the Fetts ,Boba (Daniel Logan)Fett and Temuera Morrison as Jango Fett , from such a small part in the other films to a father and son combo shows that George does listen to the fans sometimes.

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David Favel
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Jake the Muss should be able to kick any one's butt.

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Paul Cassidy
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And the Muss gets a speaking part as Jango "COOK the MAAAN some Eggs" well it's abit more civilised than that (speaking to a JEDI)

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Richard C. Wolfe
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I went to the screening of Star Wars II this morning. It was enjoyable although slow at spots. The sets and art was fantastic, much better then any of the others. I suppose digital had something to do with that. I kept thinking as I watched it... Wow, this was recorded on tape and transferred to film. Amazing how beautiful the images were. It was shown on a screen about 45 feet wide. I wonder how a digital projected image would have looked that large? However, I was shocked to see the print was scratched for a few minutes near the middle.
I think this film will have a much larger young female audience then the others thanks to Hayden Christensen. This guy puts Leonardo DeCaprio and the other heartthrobs to shame. If the gals went nuts over Leo in Titanic, they will melt over Hyden in this one... and he is still a good guy in this eposode.
Should open big, hold well for a few weeks, but may not have the legs of others. It is starting to get a little old now. I actually think the next one will have more "want to see" as that is the one that takes Anikan over to the dark side. Of course, they have to see this one to find that out. I really think that if this picture has strong legs it will be due to the young girls going back again and again to drool over Hayden.

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David Favel
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Perhaps "Cook the Man some Ewoks"

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Ian Price
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I just got back from the exhibitor's screening of Send in the Clones as well. It was at the AMC Van Ness 1000 in San Francisco. It was on Film as well.

We enjoyed seeing it, but...

It appeared grainy at the beginning and the colors seemed off like the print wasn't perfectly color timed. We noticed one lab splice.

I thought the writing and acting were sub-par. The Action scenes (what few there were) were fantastic. The imagery was great. The alien characters were wonderful. The spaceships were cool. It dragged in the middle. My butt hurt towards the end.

All in all it was the greatest achievement in animated motion pictures I have ever seen.

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