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Justin Hamaker
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I totally agree with you about that Mike. We use RTS at our drive-in where the office is in the projection room. Whether I call from the office or the snack bar I can hardly hear them.

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Buck Wilson
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
You think that in 12 years, that Radiant/Aloha could finally work together as one, but still have their issues.

I loved REG's Entech Systems, but now they've moved over to Vista, which I no nothing about.

Vista is so unbelievably needlessly complicated, It's a little ridiculous. I can't say it's not a powerhouse with a lot of control and options... but I have plenty of complaints with it. I, too, preferred Entek.

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Justin Hamaker
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I've been using Retriever's Venue system for over 16 years. It is a pretty robust system and very intuitive. It has its issues, often related to trying to appease the different interests of corporate vs theatre users. But the system works well. And over the years I have seen many of my suggestions implemented into the system.

My only major complaint is they are still using DOS, so hardware compatibility is a major issue, and prevents you from being able to use many off the shelf products.

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Frank Cox
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dosemu runs under Linux, is very easy to set up, and will run most dos programs. You can even print to printers that aren't supported by dos and create pdf files since dosemu will intercept print commands within dos programs and feed them to cups or lpr. USB printers and keyboards are no problem; basically any hardware that's supported by the underlying Linux distribution will work with dosemu and the dos program will just work with it.

You can run dosemu in a window on a Linux desktop, or you can run it in a full-screen session that looks exactly like dos; the full screen session is so accurate that if you didn't see the machine boot up you won't know that it's not a native dos machine.

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David E. Nedrow
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We used RTS for several years, but I got frustrated with the extremely slow pace of updates. Bugs would linger for years.

At one point, I even decided to write my own web-based system --- I'm a software engineer by day.

But then I ran across Veezi. It has a Windows client for the stations, and all administration is web-based and accessible from anywhere. No need for ssh tunnels and VLC.

Pricing is reasonable and they are VERY responsive to bug reports. Their customer service is great, and they provide frequent updates and feature additions.

Justin Silverman is the main guy and he actually came out to visit us a couple of months ago.

They have a thirty-day free trial.

Veezi Homepage

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Jack Ondracek
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I agree with most of the RTS observations here. My relationship with them has been a love / hate one over the years. On one hand, the company responded very quickly to my request that they find a way to put a number of tickets on one piece of paper (drive-in mode). Above all else, that sold me on the system. Rob is knowledgeable and responsive, when you can get him. The other folks there are sort of a mixed bag. They all seem to have their software strengths, but with a few of them, customer interaction is a toss-up. Being a broadcast engineer, I understand the problem. Some of the best techs out there have no business talking to the end user!

Agreed on other points as well... updates frequently occur for unexplained reasons and don't always cooperate with the local installation. Promised fixes take forever to implement and often-used features sometimes disappear without a trace. Given this is a subscription-based system, I would have hoped for faster implementation of fixes, features and functional updated versions. Documentation..... guess I'd best not go there. Their ability to log into the system has come in handy on a few occasions though.

I stopped trying to figure out the inventory section. My daughter runs that part of our business, so I've dumped that on her. Not even sure she's completely adopted it.

On their last major update, they added a number of handy reporting functions, but made the process much less intuitive.

On balance however, RTS has been a good fit for our triplex drive-in. We can get the stats we want, after a bit of work... they finally integrated split-tendering into the system and the time to process a card is comparable to cash. That's a critical point here for us.

As mentioned elsewhere, we now depend so heavily on card transactions that I'm becoming increasingly paranoid over having only one connection to the internet. Regardless of reliability, they all fail now and then. Murphy says that will be when I have lines going down to the street.

We don't use the built-in rewards or seating functions, but do use their gift cards. That works well.

There are still some details I'd like to see in the system, but over the years, they've become less-critical ones, so I don't talk to them as often as in the past. On-balance, a different system would have to be fairly impressive to get us to switch.

RTS was an early adopter of IP-based phones. Their customer service calls are routed through their system to phones at their employees' homes. That might explain some of the fun there.

Personally, I'd grade the overall RTS experience a B-.

At this point, my opinion of Sensible Cinema might be unfair, but it is what it is. We went with it at our indoor before we tried RTS. The early system had a lot of bugs and Rusty was hard to reach and not very responsive. Granted, he was the only person we ever talked with, so he may have been a one-person-show back then. We dropped his system out of frustration and never looked back. If his operation has improved at all over the years, I wouldn't know it... though if he's still around, one would hope it has. However, if I was tempted to switch, my past experience was so negative that I wouldn't consider going back.

In fairness, the system is/was a full-buyout package with no income stream for maintenance, updates or user ignorance... sort of the opposite of RTS in that regard.

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Rusty Gordon
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Jack, I can't remember a moment in time when I wasn't insanely easy to reach. Unless I happen to be on a plane (going to CinemaCon or UDITOA) or somewhere with no cell service (for example, my nearest Drive-In theatre), I usually answer my phone in three rings and return missed calls within an hour. As for our Windows based software, I don't think RTS can touch us on drive-in features and capability-- except where they have copied us.

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Justin Hamaker
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David
I'm curious how Veezi has matured in terms of item set-up and inventory management. When I tested the system about 2 years ago it was not really ready for prime-time. Item configuration was pretty limited. For example, you couldn't simply have a modifier that applied to multiple items. If you want to to record the flavors for each drink, you had to set up Large Coke, Large Diet, Large Sprite, etc. Rather than hitting Large, Medium, Small and then applying the appropriate modifier.

We never we never went beyond testing because of these issues, but every year we re-evaluate our use of RTS prior to opening our drive-in. If Veezi has improved, we would certainly consider them for next year.

One concern we did have was whether the terminals could operate in a stand alone mode if the internet connection went down. It's one thing to not be able to process credit cards, but it's something else entirely to lose your entire POS system.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Rusty Gordon
As for our Windows based software, I don't think RTS can touch us on drive-in features and capability-- except where they have copied us.


Good to see you're here, Rusty. As for your respective capabilities, none of you offered drive-in functionalities at the time. We had your software first and got nowhere with it. RTS came along at a very early UDITOA convention at my invitation. Just prior to that, they set up a mode where an entire car could be represented on one piece of paper. Again, that was at my request. It's a big deal when you're looking to verify everyone belongs in the car.

As mentioned before, I hope your system is doing well. Our experience wasn't a good one and we moved on.

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David E. Nedrow
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quote: Justin
One concern we did have was whether the terminals could operate in a stand alone mode if the internet connection went down.
It does have an offline mode and it works well.

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Paul Goulet
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quote: Jack Ondracek
a mode where an entire car could be represented on one piece of paper.
Jack, could you explain how that feature works? I work at a drive in that uses RTS, I'm just not familiar with that part of it

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Paul Goulet
Jack, could you explain how that feature works? I work at a drive in that uses RTS, I'm just not familiar with that part of it

"Drive-in mode" is set up in the local computer settings. It does two things. First, it prints one ticket per transaction, rather than one ticket per patron. That comes in very handy if you have to walk up to a car to verify admission. In that case, you only need them to give you one piece of paper, rather than force every person to produce their individual ticket. We buy the heavy, green-striped RTS ticket paper and use it only in our boxoffice terminals. It's more sturdy than the Office Depot-type paper we use in the snack bar terminals, and the stripe makes it somewhat easier to locate.

The other feature that makes their drive-in mode work for us is the customer tally on the boxoffice terminals. Instead of showing the number of people admitted against seating count, like you'd see in an indoor theatre version, ours shows the number of transactions for each screen, which we translate into "number of cars". That gives us a lot better idea how many we can get into a given field. Our back lots don't have poles (yet), so size of cars and how they park and who's monitoring them can affect total numbers, but the screen gives us a good enough idea that we know when we need to keep an eye on how many more we can get in. We have no use for patron counts on the terminal screens, which is what you'd see on an indoor version, although it is still used for per-cap calculations and boxoffice reporting.

While it certainly is possible that other systems have adopted these features, none offered them at the time we were looking to switch from cash registers and impact credit card terminals to a computerized system. At the time we asked RTS to consider it, we were already using their system at our indoor house. As soon as they got that done, we put their system in at our drive-in and got them out to show it at the next drive-in owners' convention.

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Rusty Gordon
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Sensible Cinema Software has had a number of drive-in specific features since 2008 but has added many more and spiffed up our drive-in specific ticket recently. We exhibited at UDITOA last year and have plans to do the same next February. We've been committed to working to meet the needs of drive-in owners---it's not just a sideline. In addition to the drive-in ticket, car counts, etc. are concession modifiers, kitchen tickets, remote printing support, box office reporting for second and third bills, etc and we have a merge mode that allows a box office not connected by Ethernet to the inside to sync sales with the concession stand at the end of the night for single reporting like our hardtop sites. Here is a ticket sample that can be printed on any thermal receipt printer:

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Andrew Thomas
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I've only ever used Sensible and I can count on one hand the number of problems I've had with it, and Rusty responded immediately to most or within an hour on the rest.

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