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Ian Price
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Denver, CO
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 04-24-2002 01:27 PM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wow! sticking up for me. I never thought I would see the day. Thanks.

Since we have been in business we have been surprised with some truths. We are trying to run this theatre on the up and up. First year we grossed $1 million dollars and managed to lose only $60,000 of it. This past year we grossed $1.4 million and eked out a profit, which the government took 40% of. This year we are on track to double our business and profit. It is very unusual for a new business to profitable in its second year; this bodes well for our future. By all accounts we are wildly successful. Our investors are happy, the film companies are happy and yet there are a few problems.

Sonoma County being so high rent, I am unable to purchase a home here. I can't at the moment afford new car payments. Thank God I don't have any children, as I would be unable to afford to raise them. My 15 years on the film exhibition industry have taught me some facts. It is very hard to get rich in this business where everybody is in for a percentage. Economies of scale rule. This is why everybody is building 14-plexes and more. So unless you get that single screen theatre for a laughably low rent or lease, I don't see anybody making enough money to cover expenses with film.

Now, I am totally ignorant on the economics of running a bar. Perhaps a bar alone would be sufficient to cover expenses and return a profit. But even most bar owners and restaurant owners I have heard are successful run multiple locations. That will be our secret to success as well.

With one exception, I am unaware of a for profit single screen theatre opening in my lifetime. I have seen single screen theatres opened and quickly closed again. I have also seen exactly two single screen theatre restored to their former glory and run as non-profits. The one exception is a single screen art house a guy opened in Oregon. He built it in an old gas station and is able to run it himself, so his staff costs are very low.


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Marc Syp
Film Handler

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From: Columbus, OH, USA
Registered: Apr 2002


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Ian --

Thanks for responding. To answer one of your concerns: Yes, rent is ridiculously cheap. Real estate is ridiculously cheap. In fact, I am looking into buying a 10,000 S.F. concrete and masonry building built in 1904, fully sprinklered and with 600 A / 240V 3-phase electrical service. There is a lot of ornamental stonework around the facade. Also includes a 2-car garage (!!). There is an empty parking lot half a block away. Anyway, the price? $175,000. Now, I haven't conducted any feasibility studies, but this is to give you an idea of basic cost. I am figuring an additional $125,000 for renovations and equipment. This is totally just a ballpark. But in St. Louis you can buy historic buildings in redeveloping areas for pennies on the dollar. There are several large commercial buildings available in my neighborhood for under $80k. I guess this overabundance of real estate is one more reason why the idea of a cinema/bar interests me...

...as far as programming. If I were to run programming similar to Ragtag Cinemacafe, yes I would be competing with Landmark Theatres (which I used to work for). Something to think about. Is there such a thing as a second-run arthouse?

Marc S.

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Adam Fraser
Master Film Handler

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From: Houghton Lake, MI, USA
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 - posted 04-24-2002 03:31 PM      Profile for Adam Fraser   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Fraser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think you have a good basic idea but you need to do some more research on the exhibition industry. We successfully run a one screen theatre in a town of 3000 (although that nuber is skewed because tourism is exponentially higher than that). But remember, you will probably have to do most of the work yourself because employees will take away from your bottom line. Also, make sure you are different from anyone else, not just with some little known titles but with something about your business that is unique. Some type of catchy thing that no one else has.. IMO most people go to a bar to drink and talk, not to be quiet and watch a 40 yr old movie that has 5000 splices in it. Again, this is just my opinion and I may be totally wrong. But I hope you are successful and any new independent is a good thing to me.

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Adam Fraser
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David Stambaugh
Film God

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 - posted 04-24-2002 03:43 PM      Profile for David Stambaugh   Author's Homepage   Email David Stambaugh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Adam, I just looked at your web page for the first time. What a unique theater! Looks like a lot of planning went into it to make it stand out. I can see why it would be successful. Nice pics.

(The web page says the running time for The Rookie is 1 hr 5 mins. Could that be 2 hrs. 5 mins. maybe?)

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Paul Cassidy
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The strangest thing thing I've seen in our local film scene is when the New comer Village 8 came and pronounced their New state of the Art cinemas ,Sloping no-step floors ,Isle in the middle seating......and they came to blow the local single screen out of the water , well they have closed shop and moved and the single screen is still there showing Charlie Chaplan ,Marx Brothers and other old and New movies and with Silent movies with Organ back up......

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Nathan Guerriero
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From: Chicago, IL, USA
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 - posted 04-24-2002 05:16 PM      Profile for Nathan Guerriero   Email Nathan Guerriero   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 

Yes, there is such a thing as a second run art house. At the3 Penny Cinema in Chicago we try to run second-run art film and move-overs, but due to the fierce competition among art theatres here, we often just end up playing whatever is available.

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Charles Everett
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From: New Jersey
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 - posted 04-24-2002 05:24 PM      Profile for Charles Everett   Email Charles Everett   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Marc: Something similar to your proposal has been going on here in New Jersey for the past 20 years. If you want to know more, e-mail me off forum.

Landmark recently took over a single-screen in St. Louis -- one with some history behind it, I might add.


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Adam Fraser
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Thanks David for the nice comments, in our area there is competition from 3 other theatres within 60 miles and a lot of people will only go to us and not the others because of the atmosphere and our attention to presentation. I wish we would have noticed our error in running time last week though as we get a new movie tomorrow .

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Marc Syp
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Adam --

Yes, very nice, I checked out the pictures as well. It is good to hear that you have loyal customers and that your attention to detail is appreciated. I am hoping that my concept will also attract a crowd that wants a more unique viewing experience and takes pride in supporting a local independently-owned operation. The style of my theatre, of course, would be completely different, but in its own way, unique. I am looking at a building tomorrow that looks very promising.

Charles --

I'd love to hear about the project in New Jersey. I will e-mail you off list. I'm aware of the Hi-Pointe sale and have to admit that I was disappointed to hear that Landmark is expanding in my area, because of course that means more competition. There is another historic theater in town called the Avalon that is now under review for restoration, though the plans are in their early stages and definitely not a sure thing.

Marc S.

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