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Gracia L. Babbidge
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 - posted 05-31-2002 12:38 PM      Profile for Gracia L. Babbidge   Author's Homepage   Email Gracia L. Babbidge   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
...and at age 17, you don't need to be with a parent to get into an R rated film - just bring ID!

It's if someone is under the age of 17 they will need to be accompanied.

Nothing* kills the enjoyment of watching a movie more than hordes of 12-15 year old kids sitting at the back of an auditorium.

* - provided that the film is 'done right'

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Nick Catalano
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Neil: I think you completely missed the point here..

It isn't that I don't want to watch it with my parents, it is that my parents don't want to watch it in the first place

I would have no problem with watching a movie like South Park or American Pie with my parents, not that big of a deal. They don't want to see either, and thanks to this amazingly stupid rule that tries to parent every moviegoing child in america I cannot go see these movies unless I download them (which is what I mostly end up doing because of this stupid rule)

The government isn't my parent, my parents are my parents and I want THEM to make moral judgements BEFORE the MPAA or the Government.

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Nick Catalano
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I'm 15, not 17...

Plus the economic benefits to the theatre would pay for the extra rounds the manager would have to take to ensure that teenagers are sitting quiet.

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Adam Martin
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 - posted 05-31-2002 01:13 PM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
So, do you complain this much about 21 and up clubs?

Go back and re-read my first post. We are just covering our asses. We're not doing it because we like to. In fact it's hard not to just say "screw the rules" when a 15-year-old little shit threatens to come back and pop a cap in your ass because he can't get in to see The Players Club.

This thread is pissing me off. I'm not going to discuss the issue any more.

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Scott Norwood
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Note that, in the US, "the government" isn't enforcing the MPAA ratings system; that is up to the theatres. There is no government intervention here. (thankfully)

I have a number of personal objections to the MPAA ratings system, but the basic concept is reasonable under most circumstances, even if the implementation is flawed. Clearly there is a need for parental responsibility, but there is also a need for parents to have some way of knowing about the content of films (without having to pay $6-10 to watch them beforehand) in order for them to be able to make an informed decision about whether or not to allow their children to watch them.

As a practical matter, it would be foolish for any major first-run house to blatantly ignore the ratings guidelines completely, as this would both result in bad publicity for the theatre and would attract exactly the types of underage customers who are likely to ruin the filmgoing experience for others (not to say that _all_ under-17 customers at R- or NC-17 films are rude or obnoxious, just that many would be).

In an art- or revival house, there is more leeway, depending on the film. It's partly a moral judgment and partly a business decision. Fortunately, those who don't like the system are free to either ignore it (by making and showing unrated films) or create a viable alternative and encourage others to join them.

Ideally, I agree with Rachel that it would seem reasonable for theatres to permit underage customers to attend R-rated films without parental accompaniment as long as the parent purchase the tickets (and presumably has decided that the child will not be emotionally scarred by the film), but I can also see why this would cause problems if the (largely) loud and rowdy crowd that might result were to drive away legitimate customers over 17.

(For those who care, my objections to the current implementation of the ratings system is that a) it is politically and economically biased toward the major MPAA member studios, b) the criteria used are excessively arbitrary and fail to take into account many factors which may affect the degree to which a film might be acceptible to children, and c) that the current implementation [especially the stigma associated with the NC-17 rating and the problems of theatres which won't play NC-17 films and newspapers that won't advertise them) tends to stifle creativity, as NC-17 is often considered to be the kiss of death at the boxoffice.)


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Joe Beres
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Nick, I think that you are missing a lot of the points that people are making here. Theater owners can't simply say "screw the rules," because as Adam said, that can lead to BIG problems, both legal and financial. It's easy and naive to say that "If I owned a theatre I wouldn't follow ratings at all," but if you were twenty years older, had a family to support and a theater that you sank all of your money and time into, I think you would be thinking things a little differently. People in that position want to and need to protect their investment and their income. Also remember that the theater owners are not making the rules,they're enforcing them, don't shoot the messenger here. There are many reasons that these policies are in place, one of which is that most 15 year-olds (at least packs of them) are not mature enough to sit through a movie like Eyes Wide Shut without snickering and acting quite immature. Sorry to say it, but it's true. If you feel that you are mature enough to see these films, and your parents do also, stop wasting your energy complaining here. Perhaps you should talk with your parents and have them meet with the management at the theater(s) near you. Perhaps your parents and the management can work something out. Or, you can always buy a ticket to see a pg rated film and walk into another theater of your choice. I would guess that more often than not, you will not have a problem. I grew up near you, and that is what I did. Granted things are more strict now, but multiplexes aren't policed very well, and provided you (and/or your friends) do not draw attention to yourselves by acting immaturely, chances are that no one will bother you.


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Thomas Procyk
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Back when I was merely a film watcher I went to see "I Know What You Did Last Sunmmer" when I was either 15 or 16. I went to the theater almost every week and I knew some of the management and they knew I behaved, so they would sell me R tickets. What pissed me off was that it was a sold-out show, and most of the seats were occupied by kids who had bought tickets to some other PG movie and snuck in, leaving the legitimate ticket holders confused, standing in the dark, with the opening credits of the film already rolling.

At the theater(s) I worked at, the R policy seemed to change whenever a new R movie came out. It went from, "The parent must watch the film with the minor" to "As long as the minor somehow obtained a ticket to the R movie, they are to be admitted." So I guess it really depends if you're going to enforce the R policy at the usher-level, or just at the box office.

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Nick Catalano
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I have known theatres to have armed police at the doors for the popular "R" films that teens want in.. Namely "American Pie" and "Scream III"... Why Even rate these "R" in the general sense of the word? They are targeted at teens, and it should be up to the parent if the movies should be seen.. You don't even have the issue of improper behavior because the adverage person in that theatre is all the same age...

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David Favel
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The rating is a joke.
We have 12yr old kids in our foyer discussing the relative merits of American Psycho.
If they look sort of old enough I will let them in.
Every one now knows the rules.
You come to an "adult" movie, you act like an adult, or else.

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Jim Ziegler
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 - posted 06-06-2002 11:31 AM      Profile for Jim Ziegler   Email Jim Ziegler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Nick,

Speaking as a manager, I would be more than thrilled if no one between 13 and 17 enetered my theatre for ANY movie without being accompanied by their parents.. Far too many teenagers are obnoxious, immature, loud, destructive and overly violent. A vast majority of theatre disruptions at my complex are caused by teenagers. Almost all of the vandalism and property destruction at my complex are the result of teenagers. Most of the fights and other violent distrubances at my complex are caused by teenagers. With all the probelms that teens cause, do you really think that ANY theatre is going to do something to bring more of them in?


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John Pytlak
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Jim Ziegler said: "With all the porbelms that teens cause, do you really think that ANY theatre is going to do something to bring more of them in?"

Trouble is, teens are the most frequent moviegoers, and account for a large percentage of a theatre's revenue. Define the problem as "unruly people" rather than "teenagers", and the solution is clear.
Better to get rid of the 1% who are troublemakers, than the 50% who are teenagers.


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Jim Ziegler
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Thing is, it is often more than 1%... On any given Saturday night, 40% to 60% of teenage groups at my complex are doing something they should not be, be it disrupting auditoriums, wandering the building, loitering for long periods of time, etc.. Teens alone or in a pair don't tend to be a problem. When there are more than 2, however, there is a tendancy to misbehave.

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Geoffrey Weiss
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 - posted 06-07-2002 10:30 AM      Profile for Geoffrey Weiss   Email Geoffrey Weiss   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Interesting thread ...

Has any chain ever been on the receiving end of a boycott because of their admission policy? At the art theatre where I worked, we figured if they were old enough to buy a ticket they were old enough to see the film. Because of what we showed, this system worked well.

But it strikes me as a maturity issue. Teens who can't behave themselves (talk during the movie (especially on CELL PHONES!!!)) should be treated just like "adults" who can't behave themselves ... and asked to leave the auditorium.

To spin this off in another direction, do any of you have predictions on what would happen if exhibitors ignored the MPAA "rules" en masse? Would there be a serious threat of government regulation? It seems like the recent Supreme Court ruling declaring pornography internet monitoring software unduly restrictive for use in public libraries (thus depriving these libraries of the ability to monitor or curtail surfing of pornography by patrons) doesn't bode well for the constitutionality of laws restricting minors' access to movies.

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Paul Cassidy
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When we were showing "The Crow" we had the parents of some local teenages come to the cinema to ask if their sons were able to watch the film , we talked to them about the film and agreed to let them watch (Although they were under age) ,it was obvious that these parents took an interest in their children ..... now this may not happen at a Complex as they have strict ID rules for R Films.

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