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Gordon Bachlund
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 - posted 07-26-2002 09:56 AM      Profile for Gordon Bachlund   Author's Homepage   Email Gordon Bachlund   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bob, it was not my intention to cause you any ambarrasment by posting your letter. What you wrote just made SO much sense that I felt it was well worth sharing. As it happened, a healthy discussion ensued, and that cannot be considered bad.

That having been said, let me add a bit of an editorial. Your signoff is "Bob, the Old Showman." Showmanship was the stuff that theatres were made before the cracker-box multiplex era began. The projectionist was the "showman" of his day. His artistic handling, without benefit of automation or computers, of house lights, curtains and curtain lights, tasteful non-synch music (to fill the intermission void now addressed by advertizing slides), and indeed his very "riding" of the fader and just "being there" made the movie going experience a joy, and spawned much repeat business.

There are few "showmen" left, Bob. Be proud of what you were and what you will likely continue to be in your new ventures!

I wish you the very best.

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Robert E. Allen
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Gordon:

I have no problem with your posting my letter. In fact Kim Williamson, editor of box office called me and asked if he could print it. I believe showmanship is the one big thing missing from the theatre today. Most managers (or corporate brass) don't seem to know how to promote a film. They seem to let the distributor promote what he wants and then the theatres battle with each other to get the film for which the distributor has fostered an appetite. Look in the page of any metro newspaper. Most theatre ads require a magnifying glass and that is about the extent of their promotion. This leaves many films from around the world unseen. "Hollywood" isn't the only place films are made.

I noticed in your pic your have some Peerless lamps behind you. Are you working a changeover booth (as they call it these days) or have they been converted. I still believe carbons put out a better light. It tends to be warmer where xenon is blue and cold (if the theatre even uses one strong enough to properly light the screen). However, carbons cost about $3,000 a year and a xenon will run about $550.

I agree with you about who the showman was (and should be) in a theatre. FYI for 20 years I was a member of IA Local 577 San Bernardino. Thanks for your good wishes.

Bob
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Gordon Bachlund
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Bob:

I guess I'm an "old showman" too, as that photo dates from 1972. I opted to use it because it was more "booth relevant" than a head shot, and the background a bit more interesting than a platter. I agree that carbon arc is superior in many ways to Xenon, and a carbon arc lamphouse, properly adjusted, tuned and maintained, is a joy to operate, as is a changeover booth. I'll e-mail you directly with some additional background.

A prolific contributor to these forums, who is wise well beyond his years,closes his posts with the observation, "Carbon Arc -- the light that's bright, the light's that right!" Amen.

-Gordon


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Chad Souder
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Based strictly on what I know from the movie, "Armed and Dangerous", unions are bad.

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Robert E. Allen
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Amen Gordon! And I'll add this prayer: Dear God, deliver us from people who believe what they see on the screen is real. Amen.

Bob
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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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Bob, I read your letter in Boxoffice and I'm very glad Gordon posted it here on Film-Tech.

Horay for old showmen! There are still some of us left. I too, have worked both sides of the fence (union & non) and agree with Brad and others who point out that it's the individual who takes pride in his/her show who makes the difference.

And... horay for young showmen. This site proves that we have them. Yes, we do make a difference because we all care. We can't change some of the corporate stupidity that goes on out there, but at least we can educate and fight for what we know is "film done right."

I am extremely fortunate to be working in a plex that believes in presentation. Some of our equipment isn't new, some of it is. We do the very best we can with what we have, and get damned few complaints. We try to do a better job than our competition in a highly competitive area, and our numbers are starting to show that. We will upgrade our equipment as monies permit.

I think that's pretty much the story with all the people here on this site. That's what makes it such a pleasure to read the many excellent posts. Let's all continue to spread the word. As our numbers grow, so will the excellence we all strive for.

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Robert E. Allen
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Thanks John. I sometimes wonder if Hollywood hasn't gotten caught up in technology at the expense of a good story. Kinda like when 3-D first came out. Great effects but poor stories. Don't concern yourself about some of your equipment not being new if it's in good shape. I've seen excellent pictures come from a standard Simplex and E-7s. And most any soundhead can be modified to run the new tracks.
My favorite machine of all time was the Motiograph with that great barrel shutter it and DeVry used. In fact, if I can find some good ones and some spares for parts (LaVizzi say parts are no longer being made), I'll use them in a project I'm working on.

Bob
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John Pytlak
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With very few exceptions (e.g., modern lenses ARE much better than old designs), "Film Done Right" does NOT depend upon the equipment, but rather the skill and care of the person running and maintaining it. "Showmanship" and a love of movies are also an important part of the mix.

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Robert E. Allen
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Right you are John. That's why I have no qualms about using a machine that is no longer being manufactured (with upgraded sound and lenses of course). The trick is getting these young "techies" at the dealers to stop trying to push the ultra-expensive new gadgets on you when basically projectors have not changed in decades. I'm even (gulp) considering spending the extra money to run a "changeover booth" with carbon arcs.

Bob
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Steve Guttag
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Um changeover booth?

Hi I'm Steve...

Steve

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Adam Fraser
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Robert,

We run a booth with both the ability to run changeovers and off a platter. It is nice to be able to have both since if a xenon goes we can get back on screen in less than 5 minutes. Also, if a print happens to come 20 minutes before showtime we can still run it on c/o (but havent had to do that in 10 years). Its still a nice thing to have and your customers will appreciate the fact that if there is a problem 99.9% of the time you can get back on screen very quickly.

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Gordon Bachlund
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Bully for you, Bob. I believe your customers will appreciate the difference that an "attended" carbon arc changeover booth run by a projectionist will make in several subtle ways. I'll bet you even plan to have operable title curtains and proper dimmer-controlled house lighting and curtain warmers. If you run into problems getting good carbons when the time comes, I will be pleased to help. "Old showmen" need to stick together!

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Robert E. Allen
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You're right on both counts Gordon. And I just may be contacting you about those carbons. We're about a year away.

Bob
The Old Showman

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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Go for it, Bob! Too bad you are out on the west coast. Now if you would consider moving to the NJ area... I've always said I want to run a changeover booth with carbon arcs just one more time before I die.

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Robert E. Allen
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Gold Beach is a great place to vacation John. It's at the mouth of the beautiful Rogue River. There's fishing, hunting, jet boat trips up the Rogue, camping, hiking and great restaurants. I'll keep you posted.

Bob
The Old Showman

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