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Martin Brooks
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From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
Registered: May 2002


 - posted 10-03-2002 05:45 PM      Profile for Martin Brooks   Author's Homepage   Email Martin Brooks   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Maybe I'm biased because I live in New York and we have a high cost of living, but with the possible exception of students who work part-time and are living at home, no professional with technical skills should be getting paid $7-$8 dollars an hour. That is not a living wage. $8 an hour is under $17,000 a year. I had trouble living on that in 1974. (If that is a living wage where you live, please let me know where that is so I can retire and move there.) It's one thing for the popcorn pushers and ticket takers to be paid a relatively low wage, but it's quite another for the projectionist (IMHO).

I might be able to understand such a payscale in a single-screen theatre that doesn't do much business, but I think it's absurd in a multiplex situation where the projectionist is taking care of all the screens.

Having said that, I don't think you should burn bridges or be unprofessional. So I think you should give reasonable notice (maybe more than reasonable notice..maybe 3 weeks instead of two) and simply tell them that while you've loved working for them, you don't feel comfortable working in a place for a meager wage where there is no chance for advancement.

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Bring in the union. At least they can get you some benefits.


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Joe Beres
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 - posted 10-03-2002 05:52 PM      Profile for Joe Beres   Email Joe Beres   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't mean to sound redundant, but I do agree with many of the recent posters here. It sounds like it's time to move on, but it might (or might not) be worth having a jovial conversation telling the management that you are considering leaving and give them the reasons, but by all means, be polite and respectful, even if they are not. Remember that if you decide to try to get a job at the competition down the street or in the next town, chances are your potential employer will want to talk to your current employer. Don't give your bosses a reason to say anything negative about you. A good reference and reputation can go a long way in this business.

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Dennis Benjamin
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 - posted 10-03-2002 06:34 PM      Profile for Dennis Benjamin   Author's Homepage   Email Dennis Benjamin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
(All of this has probably been said in some way already)

Walking out would be a bad idea. Here is what you should do:

Research (like you are doing on here) and find out what other companies pay their projectionists. Get it on paper to show your bosses. You could also do this research by applying at other theatres and finding out what they hire a projectionist at (even if they do not hire you you can get a ball-park idea).

For me - the part that bothers me is - if you have been with them this long and they are not willing to sit down with you - then there is a serious problem in their operations. If you have stuck with them this long - it must not be as bad as you say - because I would have left a long time ago (if it were me).

Any town that I live in I keep a NETWORK of friends that work in the theatre industry. I go to lunch with them, dicuss the state of the industry -etc. etc. You never know when the world will drop out from underneath you - so keep a web of friends there for support. Even if they are your competition - you may need some help from them (and vice-versa)in the future. We are all in the same business -after all -we all need to stick together!

So good luck with your situation! I hope the right decsions are made.


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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 10-03-2002 06:40 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I definately would not advocate someone leaving without notice...it brings you down to the level of that which you dislike. One should try to protect their reputation rather than try to smear it. The same goes for the stupid advice of mildly sabotaging the equipment...the only point you will make with such a move is that they were better off without you.

I say there are always three moves...Try to resolve an issue you have with an employer yourself.

Failing that either find an employer you will be more satisfied with (remember the grass is yellow everywhere!...some just more so and leaning towards brown)

OR consider collective barganing (unionization) it isn't wrong to consider. In fact, that is why unions came about...to HELP the worker, not hinder management.

Steve

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Sean McKinnon
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 - posted 10-04-2002 01:16 AM      Profile for Sean McKinnon   Author's Homepage   Email Sean McKinnon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If you feel that you are not bieng treated properly and wish to unionise then more power to you... It is your right to organize

I am positive that there are a lot of very proffesional organized operators who truly care about FILM DONE RIGHT, and not just a paycheck...

As to the whole "Show them how much you need us" thing that doesnt work it just makes you look foolish. I was in a situation once a long time ago where "Proffesionals" were purposely causing problems, all it did in the long run was make people realize how much they are not needed. The sad reality is most any theatre manager *could* walk up to a booth with maybe an hour's worth of training (or less) and run the machines, maybe not as well as you but they would run.

The FACT is that your company would have to NEGOTIATE with you in good faith, but thats all they are required to do they do not HAVE to sign a contract with you... They just have to bargain and try to reach a fair deal. It is also illegal for a union to PROMISE that you will get a contract just so you know.

And do me a favor if you decide to call OSHA about your booth have some self respect and do not intentionally damage things. I heard about one theatre in wisconson I think... yeah where the "operator" ripped all the circuit breaker panel labels off and hid them in his desk, The osha guy didnt find it too funny when he found them there... from what i hear.


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Thomas Procyk
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 - posted 10-04-2002 12:13 PM      Profile for Thomas Procyk   Email Thomas Procyk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oooookay, let me go back and clarify a few things.

First:

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What I would do, and I wouldn't reccomend doing it since it may get you in some trouble one way or another,

So I wasn't suggesting doing that at all. I shouldn't have even wrote "What I would do" since that could (and did) imply I was being serious about it.

Second: Yes, I just meant it as a humorous anecdote of what one offbeat option to the situation could be. (Note to self: make use of smilies more.) I thought the cricket idea would have suggested I was joking, but now I'm thinking I should have used the moth example instead.

Third: Yes, the story of my friend's situation with walking out because of his dog is true.

I apologize if I upset anyone and promise to be more clear and careful with my posts in the future and leave such shennanegans for "Film-Yak"

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Steve Anderson
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 - posted 10-04-2002 01:47 PM      Profile for Steve Anderson   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Anderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I worked for Regal during '98/'99. Two projectionists for 27 screens at $6.50 an hour. We voted in the union.....Regal did not recognize the union. We all finally left. Today in this area a projectionist may max out around $8.00 an hour.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 10-04-2002 05:20 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Whatever you do, give them a full 2 week's notice (or more if you know far enough in advance). Also make sure whoever is replacing you knows where everything is so after you leave the new guy isn't saying "what did he do with the policy trailers???" and make sure to warn him about anything that will pop up in the near future (like a leaky projector). Above all if anything needs to be done (lens cleaning, breaking down prints, oiling a projector, etc) make sure you get it done before you leave. (You don't want the company thinking you sabotaged them.) I also recommend you leave your phone contact info behind in the event there is a question so they can call you rather than make assumptions. (I always make it a point to let everyone know that I will be happy to field calls on any questions after I leave and I have never had a problem returning to the theater for quick training visits whenever the new guy is a little shaky on things.) That is what I consider the proper and professional way to leave a job, even if everyone there was an undeserving ass.

By the way, try and NOT be the last person out the door on your final night. I always try and make sure that I am out of there and off of the property before the last manager leaves, or if it was my last night and I was to close alone, I usually request someone who will be continuing to work at the theater show up near closing time and leave with me. I can just imagine what would happen if that one night there was a break in...I would end up with the blame! Not cool.


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Jennifer Osborne
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From: Columbus, IN, USA
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 - posted 10-05-2002 12:05 AM      Profile for Jennifer Osborne   Email Jennifer Osborne   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Aaron,

I totally understand where you're coming from. After reading your post, I realized that we work for the same company. I have been at my theater (Showplace 12 in Columbus, IN) for nearly 2 years now, and i make a measly 6.25/hr. I don't do just booth either. I cannot give advice to get out of your situation, but I can give you sympathy from a fellow employee of this company

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Brent Mahaney
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 - posted 10-07-2002 08:07 PM      Profile for Brent Mahaney     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It never ceases to amaze me what little respect upper-level management has for their "lower-level" employees...in ANY business. This is indicitave of the fact that they are either out-of-touch with how much their employees (or their "pawns") give with respect to their jobs based on their loyalty to the company, or the disrespect is based on an obsessive focus on the bottom line. Upper-level people tend to be unable to see past the dollar signs floating in front of their eyeballs, and in fact, were they to be placed in a position where they were in charge of the actual day-to-day operation of the business (in this case, the booth), they would most likely be unable to meet the standards they set for their "expendable" employees.

My family owns and operates a golf course, and I managed it for several years. I learned first-hand that when you make known your appreciation through small raises and verbal praise, you bring the best out of your employees. When you can walk in the door and say, "Hey Joe, I want you to know that you're doing a really great job and I really appreciate it," you accomplish a number of positive things, the most important being that you have let Joe know that you know his name and you know he does good work. Will there still be bad employees? Yes. Will you still have problems? You bet. But it is VITAL TO YOUR BUSINESS OR COMPANY TO KEEP THE BEST EMPLOYESS AND NOT LET THEM GET LOST IN A SEA OF NAMES AND FACES. PERIOD.

In this specific case with the booth, I think the issue is less about pay and more about feeling appreciated. I can certainly understand that. Good luck with whatever you decide to do, Aaron.

By the way, it's not my intention to slam upper-management. I appreciate the fact that they have different pressures and difficulties that I cannot understand because I have never been in THEIR shoes. My point is that it goes both ways. Like Jason said earlier in the thread, it should be a mutually beneficial pairing, and to reach that point, both sides need to do a better job of listening to each other.

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Paul Turner
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 - posted 10-08-2002 12:39 AM      Profile for Paul Turner   Email Paul Turner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Aaron;
The only thing you’re going to have left when you leave this place is your own sense of decency. Follow Brad’s advice on the procedure for quitting. When it’s all over, you will have behaved well so any problems will be on them. And yes, it is time to move on. It seems you might have enough experience to manage or do other duties in other theaters that don’t have such a low pay ceiling. By the way, anyone who gives a negative reference for an ex-employee is playing with fire in this litigious country, so feel free to put the valve grinding compound in the projector oil . . . KIDDING! Only kidding. It seems even if they should respond to your quitting with a raise, you might wanna just say no. Continuing to work for a soul-sucking company does more damage in the long run than a few months of unemployment every did. Best of luck.

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Wes Hughes
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 - posted 10-08-2002 01:08 AM      Profile for Wes Hughes   Email Wes Hughes   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Although it usually seems that Brad thinks otherwise, I do think he has some very good ideas:

His suggestion of not being the last to leave on your last night...especially if there was any friction between you and management...is a REALLY GOOD ONE!

I cannot elaborate on the situation too much due to some lingering legal proceedings and lack of time, but our company had a major issue that could have easily been avoided if this little tip had been in use.

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Matthew Walkup
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 - posted 10-15-2002 02:16 PM      Profile for Matthew Walkup   Email Matthew Walkup   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
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