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Ken Layton
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If you get either a Manitowac or a Scotsman, GEMLINE makes a full line of water pump rebuild kits if you want to rebuild the pumps yourself. Many refrigeration companies service these brands & stock parts.

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Tim Reed
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Barry, with a shaved-ice machine you can also serve sno-cones. A very low-cost, high-profit item.

Justin, you'll go through ice very quickly, even with a small theatre. When I managed the Sky-Vue, we had two big Scotsman units with bins that went nearly all the way to the floor. Whenever we had a big crowd, we would run them both out of ice before the night was over! Then we made a mad dash for the convenience store.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote:
...from Justin:
What about the economics of commercially-sold bagged ice versus the investment and wear and tear of an ice machine? Does an ice machine make sense for every drive-in theatre?

Absolutely!
A 10 pound bag retails up here for about a buck fifty, not including any sales taxes. That works out to about $90 worth of ice to fill 600 pound bin once. Add that to your time and vehicle expenses & you can buy a really nice ice machine pretty darned fast! Even a decent Manitowoc can be found in the $2000 range, not counting installation costs.

... not to mention that the cheap part of you will go nuts watching unused ice melt & go down the drain!

... though, watering the salamanders is kinda creative... [Smile]

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David Stambaugh
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I *hate* shaved ice in soft drinks. [Mad] I will go out of my way to avoid takeout places that use shaved ice, even if their food is good. Trivial, yes, but there you have it. [Razz]

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Adam Martin
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A third option is crushed ice, aka nuggets. I had a Scottsman at one theater that did nuggets. It sat next to a Hoshizaki cuber that I never had to work on for five years. No, wait. I had to replace a circuit board once. The Scottsman was replaced with an identical model after about nine years of use.

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Jacob Huber
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From the Superior Products catalog:

Daily Usage
Restaurant ............. 5 lbs. per seat or 1.7 lbs per customer
Fast Food .............. 7.4 lbs. per seat or .9 lbs. per customer

They don't have references for cinemas, but this could be a pretty good reference point. The catalog has heads that will produce anywhere from 80 lbs. per day to 1880 lbs. per day and carry Scotsman, Manitowac, and Hoshizaki.

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Mike Spaeth
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Hoshizaki is a great ice machine. Mine is 12 years old now ... and I've NEVER had to have it repaired.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote:
Daily Usage
Restaurant ............. 5 lbs. per seat or 1.7 lbs per customer
Fast Food .............. 7.4 lbs. per seat or .9 lbs. per customer

Yah... that might be a bit on the high side, & scaled for a full-time operation. Granted, we're in the Northwest, so Summertime heat isn't as large a factor as it might be elsewhere... but we can put 850 cars in this place & our 600 pounder does the job fine, even in Summer. A Manitowoc has such a good recovery rate that seeing the bin go down by half is unusual around here, even on busy nights.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Well, Manitowoc did build a nice icemaker. What do you expect? That factory was within walking distance from where I lived in Manitowoc, Wisconsin as a teen-ager.

Edit:

Seriously, of all the people who I know in the food service industry, I only had one person say the Manitowoc cuber was no good. It died after 5 years of service. I should add this: The reason it died was because there was no water filter on the machine, and the water ruined the evaporator plate.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote:
from Paul T:
Well, Manitowoc did build a nice icemaker...
We (Manitowoc) built cranes, too. BIG ones at that!...

Yah... it was a real surprise the first time I saw the name of my ice maker on one huge excavator out here!

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Paul G. Thompson
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Jack, some of the drag lines and cranes Manitowoc built had crawlers big enough where it took two tractor trailer rigs hogging three lanes of a freeway to move.

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Jack Ondracek
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Yah... I was going to ask you if they had some creative way to move them or if they actually built them "in place"... geez, what monsters!

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Sam Hunter
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Barry, are you taking progress photos?

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