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Author Topic: United Artists Cinema 150 Darren Briggs Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: York, UK Registered: Dec 2001 posted 11-16-2003 06:10 AM                        THE Picturville in Bradford (U.K) uses a D-150 lens to screen 70mm on there Cinerama screen and it is pin sharp right from edge to edge. The lens is one hell of a lens on the front of there DP70. I still think that the image is no better than when they show 70mm on the Cinemeccanica Vic 8. Darren  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-16-2003 04:01 PM                     I always felt that VIC 8's are capable of a far better 70mm image than they are 35mm. The problem with the Vic 8 is when you run double reel 70mm. The penthouse just doesn't like that small diameter hub on the reel and you may end up with some wow in the sound if the feed arm is not very well maintained. There were a pair of VIC 8's in McClurg Ct. in Chicago for 30 years that still had the original movements in them...although one of them was hammering near the end. Stinkaplex Odoron replaced them with 35/70 X-L's ...a definate step backwards and a system that definately let you hear that they were running double 70mm reels. Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-16-2003 08:54 PM                     Reel diameter should not affect the wow and fluter on the mag of a vic 8 since the film is captured between 2 driven sprockets The soft loop also put very little wear on the track and the head (the same as the old RCA penthouse but the sprocket is driven) The Vic8 in 70 and 35 has a stable image if maintained properly and is very light efficient which the dp70 is not  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-16-2003 09:38 PM                     Gord, I'll take a Norelco any day over a VIC 8. The light efficiency is about the same in both machines, probably no measurable difference with the same deg. shutter on both machines The cooling on the Norelco is also far better. It is quite easy to get wow from a VIC 8/10 penthouse if there is any jerking back on the film as it unwinds with a smallish hub. Its actually worse in the 8 due to the smaller diameter sprockets than it is with the larger diameter sprockets in the 10. The 10 was a more massive, much better built machine IMHO except for the drum shutter. There are many 10's still running although far less were imported here in the U.S. whilst many 8's have worn themselves out. Mark  |  IP: Logged Robert Throop Master Film Handler Posts: 412 From: Vernon, NY USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-21-2003 03:42 PM                     There is a really excellent article by Joe Kelly about the Syosset theatre at www.in70mm.com/  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-23-2003 10:27 AM                     I recently inherited a near mint D-150 Super Curvulon for my collection of bent glass. I have to say it is certainly the most impressive lens ever made for 70mm projection. I'll post some pics later on.... Mark  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-23-2003 10:51 PM                     Mark I have never had a worn out vic 8 and considering that in north america there biggest installed base was in canada that says something Also never ever had a wow issue with any reel on them and have serviced far to many to have not encountered a problem if it existed Also the the cinemecanica shutter is about 8% more efficient than the dp70 is and the combination of double water and air cooling is superior  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-23-2003 11:22 PM                     Gord, There is no need for additional air cooling in a DP-70. The shutter already has air scoops built into it...ok, I'll give in, call it added air cooling of the gate area if you'd like. At 2880 rpm it certainly moves alot of air . I know of DP-70 installations that have run 10kw with only a simple water chiller and the plate stays cool to the touch. The fact that Shakeamacanicca had to add an outboard air blower only makes up for their lack of proper water cooling and a decent main frame that can stand up to the heat(The Vic 10 was much better built in this respect), plus the lack of open area near the shutter for decent airflow. There were also other shutters available for the DP-70 that would slightly increase the light on the screen. I found a pair of these at the old Cinestage Theatre in Chicago when Steve K and I snuck in there just before demolition....., anyway these days 8%+ can easily be made up just by using the correct type lenses, screen, and or lamphouse. There are also several machines in our supply of them that are equipped with these very slightly narrower shutters...and then a properly set up DP-70 is far, far steadier than any Italian machine could ever be anyway. Hey....Hop on a plane, come down here. I'll give you the tour of old dead Vic 8's. Two in Twin Falls, and Two in Boise...all four that were running in Chicago for 20 plus years have been gone for at least a decade, don't know where they went. there were several here in SLC at the Century Cinedome that are long gone. There is however one lone Vic 8 still running in Twin Falls to this day. All others in the mountain states have been long retired. Two somewhat skeletonized Vic 18's that were retired serve as parts machines to keep the one Vic 8 running. Parts are actually much more expensive down here for the Vic 8, or Italian machines for that matter, than they are for the DP-70. That aspect certainly helped many Vic 8's move along to the grave quickly. There is however one lone Vic 8 still running in Twin Falls to this day. All others in the mountain states have been long retired. When you come down for the tour we'll have a in that booth to celebrate the one Vic 8 still running out here. There are over 50 DP-70 still in service, or put back into service...I'll also be happy to take you on that tour as well. Mark  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-24-2003 01:39 PM                        Robert, thanks for that link to Jack Kelly's article, but the theatre he is talking about can't be the UA 150 in Syosset. He says that in 1986 it was triplexed. The UA 150 remained a single screen theatre until it closed a few years ago. Could there have been two UAs playing 70mm in Syosset? That's a small town for two flagship theatres by the same chain, no? Frank  |  IP: Logged Thomas Hauerslev Master Film Handler Posts: 451 From: Copenhagen, Denmark Registered: Aug 2000 posted 11-25-2003 02:04 AM                        See 70mm projection lenses here The D-150 lens in Bradford was supplied with the help of Dr. Richard Vetter. The projection staff measured the screen dimensions down to the millimeter in order to get the right lens.  |  IP: Logged Robert Throop Master Film Handler Posts: 412 From: Vernon, NY USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-25-2003 04:59 AM                     Frank, The Syosset in the article was I believe, adjacent to the 150. The UA 150 didn't open till 1969 or 70.  |  IP: Logged Dick Vaughan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1032 From: Bradford, West Yorkshire, UK Registered: Jul 2000 posted 11-25-2003 05:53 AM                        Thomas said: quote: The D-150 lens in Bradford was supplied with the help of Dr. Richard Vetter. The projection staff measured the screen dimensions down to the millimeter in order to get the right lens. Please Thomas ,thousandths of an inch we only measure film width in millimeters and then only if it's more than 35  |  IP: Logged

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