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Mark J. Marshall
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Thank you, Zach!

But I'd also add to that... if you feel you must comment on the film, you are REQUIRED TO SEE IT FIRST! Then feel free to blast away on it's accuracy until a moderator shuts you down. Otherwise, you ARE discussing religion, and not the film.

No one cares about any analysis of the film by someone who hasn't seen it.

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Michael Schaffer
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We weren`t discussing the film and we weren`t arguing about religion. We simply discussed the historical background.

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R. Andrew Diercks
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If you weren't discussing the film or the management of it's run, keep it out of this post. Just my humble opinion. [thumbsup]

As far as groups, we booked two prints, with the hope of using one of them primarily for special bookings, so we don't have to force inconvenient times for them. We are in a VERY Christian area and I'm pretty sure there will be no protesting here.

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Ky Boyd
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I just had a conversation with a nice lady who stopped by to inquire about whether we will be showing Passion of Christ or not. I told her to check back with me on Tuesday as we've been told by our booker that we will know by then. She was very nice and thanked me. She then pointed to the City of God poster we have up in the lobby and wanted to know if it was a good religous film. She took it pretty well when I explained that City of God was a reference to a part of Rio and that the film was essentially about drug dealers.

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Eric Hooper
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Advance tickets are already on sale on Fandango...at least here in the SF Bay Area they are. Newspaper ads also state Advance Tickets Available...

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Michael Gonzalez
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We are already selling advance tickets also but only to groups. We won't start selling to the general public until after our groups showings have been booked.

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Kevin Wale
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I won't be here when it opens but it is booked out the doors. I think right now 4 different groups have bought the theatre and several other groups have scheduled special events during normal closed hours. I'm not sure if the Tally Ho will be able to keep up. lol

In Guymon Ok it is getting booked up too but I'm not as sure on the details. Obviously for the 25th itself the Catholic church is the most excited and wanting that particular day at most theatres because of Ash Wednsday. It may be hard for someone not included in a church group to see it except most of them are including people that want to see it that don't go to thier church or church at all. Churches are more interested in everyone going and seeing it as an event for fellowship and a good time together and not so much having it all to themselve's. From what I have gathered they are just afraid if they don't book it as a group they may have to wait a while.

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Dino Panagiotopoulos
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Ad Timed to Gibson Film Release Refused
Tue Feb 3, 4:36 PM ET

By BOBBY ROSS JR., Associated Press Writer

DALLAS - AMC Theatres is refusing to accept a 30-second ad produced by the Baptist General Convention of Texas and timed to coincide with the Ash Wednesday opening of Mel Gibson (news)'s "The Passion of the Christ."



Like many evangelical Christian groups throughout the nation, the 2 million-member Baptist convention hopes to take advantage of the publicity generated by Gibson's R-rated epic about the last hours of Jesus.

Rick King, spokesman for AMC Entertainment Inc., based in Kansas City, Mo., said he couldn't address the specific situation.

In general, King said, "Screen advertising is a pretty sensitive area and we have a pretty tight set of guidelines for what we will place on our screens and what we won't."

Regal Entertainment Group of Knoxville, Tenn., whose holdings include United Artist theaters, has accepted the ad.

"The advertisement meets all of our standards and guidelines," Regal spokeswoman Lauren Leff said. "There's no reason why we wouldn't run it."

Becky Bridges, communications director for the association of 5,700 Texas Baptist churches, said the black-and-white ad is designed to "spark some interest and questions on the part of younger viewers about the story of Christianity."

The ad opens with a young man asking: "You want to see the most scandalous story ever?"

Words then flash on and off the screen: "Betrayal. Sin. Adultery. Greed. Envy. Weakness. Poverty. Torture. Murder."

"Redemption," the actor says.

The ad ends with the message "Now playing at a Baptist church near you" above a Baptist General Convention of Texas logo.

AMC has been "very vague about why" it declined the ad, Bridges said, with company officials describing it variously as "too dark" and "too Christian."

"We followed all their regulations: not using Jesus, Bible or any other overt God talk," she said. "We do not use religious symbols or icons. We do not attempt to use guilt or other things that might appear to be judgmental or proselytizing.

"In my opinion, it is a good teaser which is edgy enough that audiences will find it intriguing, but not offensive," she added, noting that the ad's art director was Catholic and the director Jewish.

Texas Baptists plan to run the ad on about 200 Regal theater screens in Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston and San Antonio, Bridges said. At a cost of about $40,000, the ad will run for four weeks starting the Friday before the Feb. 25 opening of Gibson's movie.

The convention also had hoped to show the ad on about 150 AMC screens in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Bridges said the convention approached theater chains that it knows accept regional advertising and don't require a national contract.

King said ads accepted by AMC must be appropriate for all audiences — those coming to see a children's film such as "Finding Nemo" as well as someone expecting the graphic nature of a drama such as "The Passion of the Christ."



"In general terms, we don't allow any kind of negativity," King said. "We do run ads for a number of churches and organizations, but this particular one would need some modifications to meet our guidelines."

Bridges said the Baptist convention offered to soften its ad, including taking out references to "murder" and "torture," but that did not appease AMC, she said.

Gibson's movie, with dialogue in Latin and Aramaic and English subtitles, is set to open on 2,000 screens nationwide — an unusually large release for an independent religious film made in dead languages.

Some critics of "The Passion of the Christ" worry that its depiction of the role of Jewish leaders in Jesus' final hours will revive the idea that all Jews are to blame for his death.

Gibson has repeatedly denied that his film maligns Jews. It has won praise from many prominent Christians including evangelist Billy Graham. An aide to Pope John Paul (news - web sites) II has said the pontiff felt the film accurately shows what Jesus went through, although the Vatican (news - web sites) recently backed away from that statement, declaring that the pontiff "does not make public judgments on artistic works."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040203/ap_en_mo/jesus_film_ads_1

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Chris Hipp
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King said ads accepted by AMC must be appropriate for all audiences — those coming to see a children's film such as "Finding Nemo" as well as someone expecting the graphic nature of a drama such as "The Passion of the Christ."

There are things called restriction on ads, Disney does not let you run ads anyway. I think there is some personal reasoning from someone high up....I wouldnt knwo though.

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Steve Kraus
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The New York Times February 4, 2004

[Excerpt]

Gibson to Delete a Scene in 'Passion'

By SHARON WAXMAN

LOS ANGELES, Feb. 3 — Mel Gibson, responding to focus groups as much as to protests by Jewish critics, has decided to delete a controversial scene about Jews from his film, "The Passion of the Christ," a close associate said today.

A scene in the film, in which the Jewish high priest Caiaphas calls down a kind of curse on the Jewish people by declaring of the Crucifixion, "His blood be on us and on our children," will not be in the movie's final version, said the Gibson associate, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The passage had been included in some versions of the film that were shown before select groups, mostly of priests and ministers.

"It didn't work in the focus screenings," the associate said. "Maybe it was thought to be too hurtful, or taken not in the way it was intended. It has been used terribly over the years."

Jewish leaders had warned that the passage from Matthew 27:25 was the historic source for many of the charges of deicide and Jews' collective guilt in the death of Jesus.

Mr. Gibson's decision to remove the scene could indicate that he was being responsive to concerns of Jewish groups that the film will fuel anti-Semitism. Mr. Gibson was the co-writer, director, producer and financier of the $25 million film, which will be released in more than 2,000 theaters on Feb. 25, Ash Wednesday.

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Michael Schaffer
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I wonder if they will publish bibles with pictures from the film, just like all editions of Lord of the Rings now have pictures of the movies.

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Mark J. Marshall
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quote:
King said ads accepted by AMC must be appropriate for all audiences...
I don't doubt that he said that, but that's completely absurd. We play ads all the time that only show in front of R rated films, and we play ads that only show in front of G or PG rated films.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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I don't see what is so surprising about this. Any company that associates itself with any religion is just shooting itself in the foot.

Playing a religious movie is fine, people choose to go see it. Subjecting the audience to religious ads is quite different.

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Jason Black
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Back on topic...

I have one early screening booked thus far. I'm finding that even though there is great interest in the bookings, most people have to work during the week, leaving Saturday the only feasible day to have a screening. Sunday, of course, is church day, and the other days everyone is working, so interest just isn't there.

Finally saw the trailer today. This is going to be one POWERFUL movie, no matter how you slice it. I'm going to have to hit Chris or Dennis up to see it while I'm in Vegas...

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Michael Gonzalez
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So far I have one buy out where a church has paid for every seat in our largest house ($7.75 a pop) for our 6:30 showing on that first Friday. I have a couple of early morning showings scheduled and more than a few theaters buying a block of tickets during a regular public showing. I expect this film to have a good first two weekends but I really not sure just what kind of "legs" this movie is going to have. I think that this is going to be one of those movies where people are going to see it once and then wait for the DVD to see it again.

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