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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Copyright Law of the United States of America
and Related Laws Contained in Title 17 of the United States Code

Circular 92
Chapter 1
Subject Matter and Scope of Copyright

quote:
To perform or display a work “publicly” means —

(1) to perform or display it at a place open to the public or at any place where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances is gathered; or

(2) to transmit or otherwise communicate a performance or display of the work to a place specified by clause (1) or to the public, by means of any device or process, whether the members of the public capable of receiving the performance or display receive it in the same place or in separate places and at the same time or at different times.

Public Performance of Video Recordings
quote:
Public Performance of Video Recordings
A quick explanation on how to avoid breaking the law:

Students often want to show movies or videos in our classrooms and auditoriums for their clubs, organizations, or just for fun. Unless you acquire the tapes with public performance rights you will be breaking the copyright law. You cannot just go to the video store, rent a video or DVD and show it in a public space because these copies are not licensed for public performance. Even if you do not charge an admission for the movie you are still breaking the law.

In order to be legal you have to get the tape or DVD from a vendor that rents you the movie with public performance rights. This can be expensive and may cost hundreds of dollars per tape.

The only exception to this rule is if an instructor shows the video in a classroom and the activity is a teaching activity and not recreation or entertainment. This situation would not be considered a violation of copyright law.

A few places to rent tapes or DVDs with public performance rights. (We usually use Swank):

Swank Motion Pictures, Inc., 1-800-876-5577
Kino International, 1-800-562-3330
New Yorker Films, 1-877-247-6200
Criterion Pictures USA, 1-800-890-9494
Modern Sound Pictures, 1-402-341-8476

Read on for more detailed information:
What is a copyrighted video recording?

Copyright is a property right that gives the copyright owner of an original work a bundle of exclusive rights, which include the right to authorize or prohibit reproduction, derivative works, distribution, and public performance or display of that work. You can bet that every videotape you own or rent is copyrighted.

What is a "Public Performance"?

Section 101 of the copyright law says that a performance is public if it is in a public place or if it is in any place if "a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its acquaintances" is gathered there.

Thus, the factors to consider in determining whether a performance is public include whether the place is public and the size and composition of the audience. For example, if the place where the performance takes place is a public place (open to the public), how many and what kind of people attend is not important.

By definition it is a public performance. Virtually every auditorium, classroom, meeting room, and dorm lounge on the campus is to be considered a public place, so screening a video there is considered a public performance. Where the place of performance is not open to the public (Like your dorm room, where the public can be excluded), and every one there was your friend, the performance would most likely not be considered as public and you would be legal.

The teaching exception:

Even if a proposed performance might be considered a public performance, there may not be an infringement because the copyright law places further limits upon the performance right of copyright owners in Sections 110(1), (2) and (4).4 Section 110(1) says that performances that take place in the face-to-face teaching activities of a nonprofit educational institution are not an infringement of the copyright owner's right.

Following are the elements of each exemption that must be satisfied in order for an otherwise public performance to be exempt:

1. Section 110(1) (Teaching Activities of a Nonprofit Educational Institution):
* The performance must be performed by the instructor or pupil(s) (not by a performance artist);
* The instructor and pupil(s) must be in the same place (transmissions by television, etc., do not qualify here although they may qualify under 110(2) below);
* The activity must be a teaching activity and not recreation or entertainment;
* The activity must be put on by a nonprofit educational institution;
* The activity must take place in a classroom or other area used as a classroom for systematic instructional activity; and
* In the case of performance of a videotape or movie, the copy of the work performed must have been lawfully made. For example, one cannot show an archival copy of a videotape since it would not have been made in accordance with the provisions of the copyright law.



Updated: May 19, 2003


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William Uhlhorn
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Figure this out. A local theatre that is our competition ran a special showing for 600 school students. They played Disney product. The film in question was out of release at the time. The picture on the screen looked like 35mm to me. I called our booker, she called Disney, Disney called the theatre. The owner said it was a video. Disney decided not to take it any further. End of story.

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Floyd Justin Newton
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Concerning all these 'non-licensed' exhibitions'....be careful
who you are involved with. A person can land up in big trouble
connected with huge legal ramifications that only a New York
lawyer can untangle and resolve. Food For Thought.

fjn
Local 294 Ret. [Roll Eyes]

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Jamie Glossop
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I guess if the cinemas not making a profit from the showing it should be alright. But you should realy get written permission from the bbc as due to the copyrights of the dvd. [Smile]

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Heidi Good
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Some countries are more policed then others...

In Thialand and Bali and alot of southeast Asia, there are hotels and restaurants that show movies all the time..Often bootlegs they got before the movie even gets released in America. I'm positive that they don't pay royalties...and

Yes when are the laws going to change on DVD viewing...esp. Years after the movie came out, or movies that never got released on dvd in other countries...I'm from California but am in Australia now and I looked through the Movie book to see what was released in Australia, and I'm hard pressed to find a movie I want to watch....things need to change...

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Heidi Good
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How is it ok for my Bank ( wells fargo ) to show movies to the customers while they wait in line .
I asked...the workers just randomly bring movies in and play them....
when is it realy ok and what is the issue realy.
Good point about modern day dvd's..every old TV show is now on dvd, so what do you do if you want to show movies that were never printed on film or are too old and obscure. Do you search out the owner and call them ...

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Thomas Procyk
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Well, I doubt the people waiting in line at the bank are watching the whole movie. Unless the studio is as bastardable as to go after them under the "in whole or in part" clause. [Roll Eyes]

I think it would be the same as them playing a CD in the bank. There's public performance rights surrounding music, too, but if someone's playing a CD over the store's speaker system, they're not going to hoop and holler.

IMHO, paying royalties to play something passively is stupid. If it's not a performance, you shouldn't have to pay. I doubt people drive in droves to the Piggly Wiggly supermarket to sit in the meat section and listen to the latest Celiene Dion CD. There should be an exclusion if you're using the material for "background noise" [Razz]

Copyright law has gotten so spastically anal lately, I'm surprised the MPAA didn't try to put a stop to the movie quote game.

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Jeremy Fuentes
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They show movies in the doctors office where I take my kids, is that legal. We are paying for the doctor visit, after all.

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Ray Kaufman
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Both ASCAP and BMI are forever on the prowl, looking for ANYONE, be it store, office, elevator, or whatever, playing music covered under their respective licensing agreements. Musak and Musak-like services hold the license, which makes it legal for those using their service, but slipping a CD into a store P.A. is a huge no-no and eventually, they'll get a letter saying pay up or turn it off.

Royalties are paid to the respective creators and owners of the music. ASCAP says by playing the music as background, one is enjoying the work of another and the other is entitled to payment for that creation. And know too, this is not a recent happening. They've been doing this for decades. If anything, it's MPAA and the studios, who've only recently jumped on this bandwagon.

I've a friend who owns a dinner cruise biz and he was slapped many years ago for playing CD's as patrons boarded the boat to head out for a publicly advertised sail and dinner. He told the ASCAP guy to bring him a list of all of the covered music. The guy went to the car, opened the trunk and produced a HUGE book of fine print listings. He was told to leave it and they'd check it to be sure they'd only play music in the public domain. By the way, if it was a charter, they could play whatever they wanted as that was a private function.

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Carl Martin
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so let's say an asscap agent is on the prowl and hears some piped in music in a shoe store. she would have to consult her book/database to check if it's a song that asscap "owns". what if it's an obscure instrumental song? does she use that new song-identification program that i think was mentioned here a while ago but i can't find at the moment?

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Kevin Baglow
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I think it will damage my theatres credibility if I show a DVD or any thing electronic --when people come here- because they want to see film?

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Joe Schmidt
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Within the United States, despite all of the confusion and propaganda to the contrary being spread about by the MPAA and RIAA, it is still fully legal for any of us to make a copy of ANYTHING for personal private use, including both movies and songs. Usually movie copies will be made by individuals on VHS tape, since this is easiest even though the quality isn't as good as dvd, but recently there is all sorts of software that can copy dvds to blank dvds. This comes under the "fair use" doctrine of the "copyright equation," where there is a theoretical balance between the interests of copyright holders and those of the general public. In time everything is supposed to pass into the public domain. However.....

Recently the mouse house and MPAA, et al paid huge sums of money under the table to our crooked congress [oops! sorry! political contributions] to buy the mickey mouse copyright extension law which runs it all out for another 20 years. This was appealed to the Supreme Court, which declined to over-rule, but remarked sort of that what congress did was bad law and not very good public policy... still congress had the right to make bad law if it wanted to. I guess the court didn't this this was all that important in the overall scheme of things so they let it stand.

What's going on now is that the MPAA is hoping to achieve with technology what they cannot do legally: that is, they cannot STOP people from making copies of movies for their own personal use because in court they will lose. Instead, they want to stop all recording by individuals in the digital domain with techniques such as the "broadcast flag," which when turned on will prevent recording. If they get this the flag will of course be turned on all the time for everything.

In other words, **technology** will be used to stop people from doing what cannot be stopped **legally.** It will take a while for the reality of this to settle in, but people are gonna be mad like hell when it starts to affect them.

Eventually a test case will reach the Supreme Court. Usually precedent is very important in law, and if precedent set by the Betamax case of 1984 holds, my guess is the broadcast flag and all similar gimmickry will be ruled illegal. But it's going to take years for us to get there.

Meanwhile, avoid all new microsoft software and the XP operating system unless there is something **very specific** you need to do where you must have it. "Don't Upgrade Anything!!!" You may be very, very sorry; countless folks who have "upgraded" to this have been. In years to come, CD's with the 98SE operating system are going to be like gold, once everything else is all wrapped up in DRM [digital rights management] with all sorts of unpopular restrictions.

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Tim Lockridge
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quote: Joe Schmidt
Meanwhile, avoid all new microsoft software and the XP operating system unless there is something **very specific** you need to do where you must have it. "Don't Upgrade Anything!!!" You may be very, very sorry; countless folks who have "upgraded" to this have been. In years to come, CD's with the 98SE operating system are going to be like gold, once everything else is all wrapped up in DRM [digital rights management] with all sorts of unpopular restrictions.
I realize we're going offtrack here... but what? If you're worried about DRM or other OS restrictions, you'd be better off with Linux, not win9x. The only reason people should be sorry for upgrading to XP is for hardware incompatibility, not for DRM issues. The operating system has little to do with copyright protections... those safeguards are built into individual file types. For example, Apple's OS X is probably the best Operating System on the market as far as user security, depth, and power are concerned. Apple's new "Fair Play" DRM -- part of their much hyped iTunes store -- is encoded into individual files... not into the operating system.

Besides, the companies designing these rights management procedures are only trying to protect their perceived interests. You can't really fault them for that.

And again, if you have problems with Microsoft or Apple, there's always Linux/BSD/etc. In this age where a few copyright holders may be a bit overzealous in enforcing restrictions, we -- as consumers -- are blessed with quite a few options.

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Joe Schmidt
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Tim, you're absolutely right about the Linux alternative. At some point I plan to migrate over to a Linux/Lindows/Linspire box for internet only and it won't cost very much. If I switch from dial-up to broadband at home this will become mandatory for security considerations. Everything I do on a daily basis runs fine on 98SE, there is no reason to change, in fact I still use DOS sw from '88-90 for certain things.

XP will happen only if I must have it for a particular task, which may never come along due to time constraints and other projects in progress. It will be locked up in its own box with no internet access; for my own peace of mind that's how it must be.

It is not too unusual in forums for a sub-discussion to get going within a topic that began with something else. Often I'm a little confused myself whether to start a new topic or to digress within an existing one. If we get too far out of line the moderators will beat us up.

[Cool]

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