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Author Topic: A True Home Theater Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 02-17-2006 11:03 PM                     Let us not forget they make money on the "Don't Call me Shirley" special editon re re re release. Or the "Ultimate Edition" or the Extended Editons, etc.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-17-2006 11:33 PM                     Frankly, I think all the double-dipping (releasing and then re-releasing movies again and again on DVD) is one of the things that has been hurting DVD sales. Basically, it goes like this: a movie you want to own comes out on DVD, but doesn't quite have all the stuff you want on the disc. So you wait. You figure they'll release a better version in a few months or maybe a year or two. I never bothered to buy Panic Room on DVD. I liked the movie quite a bit and think David Fincher's last few movies have been consistently good (starting with Seven). But the initial Superbit DVD was a bare bones disc. Although I am a DTS fan, I didn't buy the disc. I figured Sony would eventually release a big special edition. As far as I can tell, such a disc has never arrived and I don't even think one is in the works either. I have copies of all of Quentin Tarantino's movies on DVD -except for Kill Bill volumes I and II. There was all sorts of word circulating how a big special edition that put both films into one box would be released. I'm still waiting for that one. Waiting paid off for the Sin City Recut, Extended & Unrated version. The 2 disc set has both theatrical and unrated cuts, lots of extras and other stuff not included in the first DVD version released four months earlier. I never bought Top Gun on DVD until an anamorphic version was finally released. I know a lot of folks who bought the non-anamorphic version. I'm still waiting for an anamorphic version of Crimson Tide. I did get double dip bitten on a few titles. I have two DVD versions of Die Hard and Titanic. Some releases are "triple-dip". At least three different versions of Terminator 2: Judgment Day have been sold. I have a copy of the 2nd version. I saw copies of the third "Extreme Edition" version at Wal-Mart for $7.50. I'm still waiting for a credible version of Bladerunner. The current 2-channel, non-anamorphic version is just not worthy. Why the hell won't Warner Bros. get something happening on this? Are they waiting until 2007, for a "25th Anniversary Special Edition?" By the time they get an anamorphic version with 5.1 audio made for DVD, they still jerk you around by putting the good extras on a new HD-DVD! And that brings up another thing that is going to hurt DVD sales further. The format war between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is not good for HDTV at all. It isn't good for either of those next generation disc formats and it isn't good for the DVD platform either. Customers have more reasons than ever to hold onto their dollars and sit on the fence. I'm a big movie fan and I have every intention to just wait at least another year or two before buying into any new format. Even though current HDTVs are finally hitting the 1920 X 1080 native resolution spec, few (if any) can bring in such an image from an external video source (like a Blu-Ray player) or a computer. That's a big deal breaker for me. HD movie disc players that require Internet connections and third party monitoring are a big turn off. But Hollywood thinks it can solve these problems by doing away with the movie theaters. Okay.  |  IP: Logged Jamie Glossop Expert Film Handler Posts: 100 From: Nottingham Uk Registered: Jan 2004 posted 02-18-2006 04:06 AM                        Its stupid if they do that, Yeah we maybe going into the future, But instead of doing that why dont they do a system like You see the film on the cinema first and then you have the option to buy it afterwards, that you can only buy the dvd if you have a cinema ticket to show as proof that you've seen the film.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-18-2006 12:40 PM                        quote: Bobby Henderson And that brings up another thing that is going to hurt DVD sales further. The format war between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is not good for HDTV at all. I am always amazed that the electronics/home entertainment industry didn't remember the Betamaz/VHS lesson. Of course the people making the decisions now probably weren't born then.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-18-2006 12:46 PM                     At first it would seem using ticket stubs to allow a customer to buy a DVD currently in theatrical release would be a good idea. Or perhaps a rebate program could get put in place. Price DVDs of films currently in theatrical release at $40, but then give a $15 rebate for a ticket stub. The problem is once the viewer has a DVD, what's going to stop him from loaning it out to other people? What's going to stop him from ripping the movie to his computer hard drive and uploading it to the Internet? The primary demand for pirated movies is for those currently in theatrical release. Once the movie has hit home video the demand for a pirated version of that movie rapidly dies. Some of the infrastructure being built into Blu-Ray and HD-DVD formats might allow more control over which players play which discs. One could require a mandatory Internet connection to activate the movie and assign its activation to the machine ID of the customer's specific movie player. That could work. But then what's going to stop the viewer from inviting his friends over to his house to watch the movie for nothing on his player? The movie industry would probably say, "well, let's bring back the pay per view model on movie discs!" We all know how well that will go over.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 02-18-2006 12:55 PM                     Bobby, There's a huge 3-Disc PANIC ROOM SE that's been out for a few years. No DTS, but it does have a new video transfer. It's a really nice set. Also, they're releasing an extended cut of CRIMSON TIDE in May or something like that. I'd be scared of what has been "extended," but one would hope that it would have a new transfer.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-18-2006 04:01 PM                     I didn't know about the 3-disc Panic Room SE. Never saw it on any store shelves around my town. Probably have to order it off Amazon.com. My city really needs to get a Best Buy or something. The local Hastings and Sam Goody sell DVDs at full MSRP. And then the alternative is Wal-Mart -and that's not much of an alternative anymore if you want special edition DVDs or DVDs of movies that aren't completely homogenized mainstream. Even worse, Wal-Mart has really cut waaaay back on widescreen DVDs. Most of their stock these days is screwed up foolscreen discs.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 02-19-2006 12:00 AM                    As long as the exhibitors refuse to play any movie that would be available on any other format while theatres are playing them things will be fine. As soon as they allow it the scene in Airplane will come to life....The shit will hit the fan.  |  IP: Logged Frank Dubrois Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 896 From: Cleveland, OH Registered: Mar 2005 posted 02-19-2006 01:17 AM                    If a movie makes $60 million at the box office, then brings in another $60 million in DVD sales, what is the theory behind skipping the theatrical release? Do they assume that the by going straight to DVD they are going to make $120 million or more? Its rediculous. Word of mouth about a movies theatrical release spurs DVD sales. Without the word of mouth about Napolean Dynamite, it NEVER would have achieved the DVD sales it did. If studios go along with this rediculous idea, they will kill off the theatres and inevitably kill them selves by no longer being able to bring in enough revenue to make any kind of profit on a movie. To all studios considering this stupid move, I give you two fingers up  |  IP: Logged Steve Scott Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1300 From: Minneapolis, MN Registered: Sep 2000 posted 02-19-2006 08:28 PM                     Some people in the home video market have this tunnel vision that only lets them see their universe as the place where movies perform. No one can really believe this idea of having a universe of made for video movies. The idea is ridiculous. Only after a year of uninspired crap in the marketplace does the home video world even have enough evidence to bring the thought to press; and look at the gems they get to sit on now. Yes, I truly hope Wedding Crashers, Dukes of Hazzard & Stealth can benefit from extra footage, commentaries, blah blah blah because those certainly would be tough on their own to merit another (or initial) viewing. Good theaters will make good films have great video releases, and they'd have even bigger releases with bigger windows!  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-20-2006 12:47 PM                        quote: Frank Dubrois If a movie makes $60 million at the box office, then brings in another $60 million in DVD sales, what is the theory behind skipping the theatrical release? Do they assume that the by going straight to DVD they are going to make $120 million or more? No, they think they will make EVEN MORE because they will "eliminate piracy." Yeah right. They have also not thought of the fact that the one guy with one DVD can show it to 20 of his friends on one night and they can all collectively decide not to buy it. Great plan guys.  |  IP: Logged Steve Scott Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1300 From: Minneapolis, MN Registered: Sep 2000 posted 02-20-2006 04:00 PM                     That's right, because this industry loses BILLIONS to piracy every year  |  IP: Logged Josh Jones Redhat Posts: 1207 From: Plano, TX Registered: Apr 2000 posted 02-23-2006 12:02 PM                        Movies are bcoming the newsfilm of yesteryear. "Its like Kleenex, its disposable." JJ  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-23-2006 07:15 PM                        Eh. All entertainment is that way, when you get right down to it. Think of all the thousands and thousands of movies that have been made in the last hundred years...how many are true enduring classics? A few hundred, maybe? I remember an article in Rolling Stone years ago, somebody quoted Elton John as saying, "as long as they're willing to keep paying for it, I'm more than happy to shovel it out."  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 02-23-2006 07:19 PM                  quote: Mike Blakesley ...Elton John as saying, "as long as they're willing to keep paying for it, I'm more than happy to shovel it out." OMG! Spoken like a "true" artist!  |  IP: Logged

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