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Topic: AMC Lincoln Square Pulls "Flight 93" Trailer
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Chad Souder
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From: Waterloo, IA, USA
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-08-2006 07:27 PM
quote: Chris Hipp
According to the logic of the chad the Nazis won WWII.
Godwin's law - you lose.
quote: Mark J. Marshall
It was therefore, the first battle in the war on terror. In the end, the terrorists were not able to achieve their goal. That means they lost.
The war on terror, or more appropriately the terrorists' war on us, has been going on for a long time; this was far from the first battle. As for them not being able to achieve their goal, I suppose that depends on what you think their goal was. My opinion is that their goal has been and always will be centered around religion. The United States defends Isreal, which is why we get attacked, too. If all four planes would have been hijacked that day and all four were driven into the ground before they hit a building, would you have considered it four victories? I consider a victory Moussaoui (if you can believe him) not getting aboard the fifth plane, or the shoe bomber not getting his job done.
quote: Mike Heenan
Another thing, how do you fight terrorists before they take over the plane?
The fact that you can't envision a scenario in which a terrorists is stopped before he takes over the plane is why I'm glad you're in the theatre business and not working for the airlines or our government.
*Warning* horrible football analogy ahead - If you look at the war on terror as an entire season, even the best team can't go undefeated (Dolphins' fans, hush). Thinking of flight 93 as a victory is like a Lions' fan celebrating because they didn't get shut out. I never took anything away from what the people on board that flight did, but I do think that America, as a Team, got beat that day. I love my country and wish we could win them all, but unfortunately that's not the case.
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David Buckley
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From: Oxford, N. Canterbury, New Zealand
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posted 04-09-2006 02:23 AM
I'm of the opinion that the terms "won" and "lost" are not appropriate within this context.
What is clear was the the passengers on Flight 93 knew they were almost certainly going to die, and took it upon themselves to try and reduce the scale of the overall disasters that occured that day. If ordinary people doing extraordinary things for the benefit of others at the cost of their own lives is not the definition of "heros", then its certainly pretty close.
I (from the comfort of many thousands of miles away from NY) look forward to seeing this movie, equally, I can understand that if someone's life was touched by 9/11 (and what NYer or NY resident couln't be) if this trailer came up and you were unprepared for it would be quite shocking, irrespective of the actual content of the trailer. In my opinion running this trailer is a bad idea, and actually think the film will do ok with or without the trailer, but as I said, this is a long distance opinion.
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Frank Angel
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From: Brooklyn NY USA
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posted 04-15-2006 10:15 PM
It was probably about a year after the Attack and I was visiting a friend in Indiana when PBS ran a documentary on the events. I we all sat in silence as the program progressed. But then came the footage of the two hits, the people jumping from the buildings and the collapse. It was like a Mack truck had slammed into me. I couldn't breath. I had no idea it would have had such an impact, after all, they had run this footage for days after the 9/11. But mercifully, I had not seen these images since that time, making sure to shut off the TV whenever there was even a hit that they would spring that footage on me again. I had watched in horror from the roof of my apartment building as both towers each collapsed. Foolishly I guess I thought the events and the emotions were safely tucked away somewhere when I was off to the midwest -- all that New York stuff left behind.
My friends, for anyone who had loved ones die or were in anyway connected to someone who was lost, even to people who just did mundane business with people over the phone who worked in those offices, people who you never saw but knew their names and knew their voices, now silenced, believe me, there is no leaving it behind and there will never be a time that's "long enough" where those images and the retelling of those stories will not cause distress, pain and all the myriad of feelings and emotions that make us human.
I can very well imagine what extreme emotions that trailer would have conjured up for people watching it, unprepared, for the first time. Pulling the trailer was just the right thing to do for common decency. I mean, the people who run those theatres are New Yorkers too. You just don't inflict that on your own community for the sake of....what?
Should the film not be shown? Not at all. Like all the painful footage of Nazi concentration camps that is almost unbareable to watch and all the pain that that can cause, even for those of generations removed, like it or not, the images are forever part of our collective psyche and they need to be examined and understood and not forgotten.
I don't know if I will have the fortitude to see this film; my dad was a New York Firefighter (not lost, but friends of his and mine were). Sometimes I drive on the Brooklyn side of the BQE and look at the skyline across the water on the New York side and it STILL, this many years later, looks surreal with the missing Towers that SHOULD be there; I catch myself thinking, if I just look away and then back again, they will reappear and everything will be alright, like sometimes happens when a computer screen re-writes itself. I find I have to shake it off me.
But certainly the film should be made and probably a number of them should made by different filmmakers and from different perspectives so the best documentation will be available to the next generations.
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Chad M Calpito
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From: San Diego, CA
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posted 04-17-2006 12:58 AM
When I went to see the movie Inside Man, I saw the United 93 Trailer and it hit me hard. Even though I only saw the 9/11 events on TV and can't fully relate to the people in New York, it still hit me hard since I have family there in New York. Anyway, I'm glad that I did see the trailer and I will definately see the movie when it comes out.
However, I believe that everyone that made a post(s) does have valid opinions and/or viewpoint(s). To me, the events of that day are tragic and I personally respect those people feelings, etc. So far, I haven't received any complaints about the trailer. Granted, we live across the country.
Anyway, my thoughts goes out to the families of the victims of this horrible tragedy.
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