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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Ben Wales
It would be interesting to see how 2K Digital Cinema will combat this and stay ahead before someone cracks the security code of the Digial content?.
I'm sure someone could figure out a way to make a DVD copy from it. However, it sure seems like it would be difficult.

First, you must have access to the booth and the data server system. Next, the would-be pirate must be familiar with the system and know some way how he can copy the movie data off the server. Third, the would-be pirate would need enough portable disc capacity to make a copy. I'm not even sure one of those new 2 Terabyte portable hard disc systems would be enough to hold one movie -that is if it is encoded in that 150Mb/s-250Mb/s bandwidth the DCI spec suggests.

Even if the pirate can get a perfect digital copy of the movie out of the theater and back home, he would need a hell of an expensive computer setup to properly deal with that high bandwidth video and be able to downsample it to something like DVD .VOB format.

In the end, it's just a lot easier for pirates to use those screener DVDs.

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John Pytlak
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quote: Justin Gorka
I was offered £500 to film King Kong last year, afraid I like my job too much to be so irresponsible.
Hopefully you reported that offer to the authorities? Someone offering £500 may not be a "big fish", but they could lead to the higher-ups financing some of these piracy operations.

http://mpaa.org/ReportPiracy.asp

http://www.fact-uk.org.uk/

http://www.fact-uk.org.uk/site/about/metpolice.htm

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23rd February 2006

Dedicated Film Piracy Unit Launch

A new police unit dedicated to combating film piracy and the organised criminal networks sustaining the manufacture and distribution of counterfeit film product is launched today by the Met’s Economic and Specialist Crime Command, in partnership with the Federation Against Copyright Theft [FACT].

The Unit will investigate those individuals and organisations accruing sizeable criminal profits and leading affluent lifestyles from illegal activity in the area of film piracy. The Proceeds Of Crime Act 2002 will act as a powerful tool in this respect, providing officers with the necessary powers to take the cash out of this type of crime, and in turn preventing both the funding of further criminal activity and reducing the presence of criminal role models in local communities.



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Justin Gorka
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Unfortunatly I soon as I gave him my views he did a runner. Left his drink too!

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: BBC News Online, 20 June 2006
A device that could foil movie pirates who covertly record films in cinemas has been developed in the US.

The prototype is able to locate the position of a digital camera, before overwhelming it with white light to render any recorded images useless.

The Georgia Institute of Technology team say the invention could also prevent clandestine photography. However, the device is unable to block conventional film or the SLR cameras, preferred by the paparazzi.

"We're at a point right now where the prototype we have developed could lead to products for markets that have a small, critical area to protect," said Professor Abowd of the Georgia Tech College of Computing.

In particular, his team are looking at ways to prevent photography in government buildings or at trade shows, where industrial espionage could be a problem. The team are also working with the motion picture industry to prevent illegal copying of films, which has become a particular problem in parts of Asia.

A study released by the Motion Picture Association (MPA) said that movie piracy in China cost the film industry $2.7bn (£1.5bn) in 2005.

The technology works by looking for the digital camera's image sensor known as a charge-coupled device (CCD). These silicon sensors are retroreflective, which means that they reflect light directly back to its origin, rather than scattering it.

The prototype uses two cameras, linked to a computer, to look for this reflected light from the camera's CCD. As the reflected light is travelling in a straight line from the CCD, it allows the computer system to accurately pinpoint the location of the camera. Once found, the system floods the CCD with white light from a projector to "blind" the camera.

"The biggest problem is making sure we don't get false positives from, say, a large shiny earring," said Jay Summet, a research assistant at Georgia Tech who helped build the device. "We need to make our system work well enough so that it can find a dot, then test to see if it's reflective, then see if it's retroreflective, and then test to see if it's the right shape."

In the future, the researchers believe the system could use infra-red lasers and photo-detecting transistors, rather than cameras to search for CCDs. They also believe that a real-world version would probably use a laser to overwhelm the image sensor with white light.

At the moment, the team are close to developing a commercial system that neutralises still cameras. Still cameras are easier to spot than camcorders because their CCD is closer to the lens and there is less interference with the reflected light. However their ultimate goal is to develop a system to combat film piracy.

The movie industry is particularly keen to clamp down on this because of the billions of dollars in lost revenue blamed on film piracy. At present, they mostly rely on the alertness of staff at cinemas to spot people filming. However, Disney took this one stage further in 2003 when it issued security staff with night vision goggles and metal detectors, ahead of screenings of the animated movie Finding Nemo.

Clever, but it ain't going to stop DVD screeners finding their way out of Hollywood...

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Ron Keillor
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http://lawfuel.com/show-release.asp?ID=5996

Press Release - Thirtieth copyright conviction as part of Operation Copycat - Includes Film Critic Who Admitted to Selling Over 100 Movies For Illegal Distribution

Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006
LawFuel.com

Operation Has Yielded First Convictions in U.S. for Camcording in a Movie Theater and Uploading "Pre-Release" Movies on the Internet

SAN JOSE – LAWFUEL - Press Release Service - United States Attorney Kevin V. Ryan announced that as part of the ongoing prosecution arising out of Operation Copycat, two more individuals were convicted yesterday, bringing the total number of convictions to thirty. Since July 14, 2005, thirty-six individuals have been criminally charged as part of the ongoing investigation into online "warez" sites, and thirty of those individuals have been convicted since September 26, 2005.

Tom Leung, 53, of Cupertino, California, and Ray Morada, 32, of Washington, D.C., were each convicted today of conspiracy to commit criminal copyright infringement by electronic means, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371, and copyright infringement by electronic means and aiding and abetting, in violation of 17 U.S.C. § 506(a)(1)(B), 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 2319(c)(1). Both defendants also agreed to forfeit their interest in computer and other equipment used to violate the criminal copyright laws.

On May 22, 2006, Paul Sherman, a film critic, of Malden, Massachusetts, pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting criminal copyright infringement by distributing a copyrighted work on a computer network. Sherman admitted that between May 2002 and June 2005, he sold over one hundred movies to a known warez supplier.

"Operation Copycat has yielded the conviction of a film critic who sold approximately 117 movies for illegal distribution. In addition, the case has yielded several notable firsts including the first convictions for recording a movie in a theater and uploading a pre-released movie on the Internet. The success of this investigation shows that individuals cannot hide behind advanced technology and the Internet to reproduce and distribute copyrighted works," U.S. Attorney Kevin V. Ryan stated. "I thank the FBI and the prosecution team for their outstanding work on this case."

Description of Warez Sites:

The charges stem from the undercover investigation targeting online "warez" groups illegally distributing newly-released movies, games, software and music. Warez groups are the "first-providers" of copyrighted works to the warez underground - the so-called "release" groups that operate as the original sources for a majority of the pirated works distributed and downloaded via the Internet. Once a warez release group prepares a stolen work for distribution, the material is distributed in minutes to secure, top-level warez servers throughout the world. From there the pirated works are distributed globally within a matter of hours, filtering down to peer-to-peer and other public file sharing networks accessible to anyone with Internet access.

Higher level members of the warez groups, known as site operators or "SiteOps," administered and maintained the site and controlled access to the site by use of security measures such as usernames and passwords. Others serve as "equipment suppliers" (providing hardware, such as hard drives, computer parts, and computer servers to the warez site), "encoders" or "crackers" (those defeating copy protection devices); "scripters" (creating, programming, and helping build the warez site); "brokers" (who found groups to participate on the warez site). Lower level members included "suppliers" (providing an unauthorized copyrighted movie, game or software), "cammers" (those making unauthorized camcorder recordings in movie theaters), and "couriers" (those who gather the copyrighted material and upload it to the warez site).

Forfeitures

A substantial amount of equipment used in the copyright violations is being forfeited to the government. As part of each plea agreement, each defendant has agreed to forfeit any right, title and interest they have in computer and other equipment that was seized during the federal search warrants executed on June 29, 2005. The Forfeiture Section of the U.S. Attorney’s Office has assisted on the forfeiture of the following materials to date:

162 computers;

16 laptops;

5,448 infringed CDs and DVDs;

414 VHS tapes and floppies;

29 key boards and monitors;

5 digital cameras;

40 PlayStation and Xbox consoles;

15 i-Pods;

7 computer towers; and

a Plasma TV, cell phones, speakers, an MP3 player.

30 Guilty Pleas To Date:

Since September 26, 2005, the following thirty individuals have been convicted as part of Operation Copycat. The convictions have included the first under two new copyright statutes, including a new "camming" statute (unauthorized recording of motion pictures in a motion picture exhibition facility) and a new statute for uploading pre-releases on the Internet (criminal copyright infringement by distributing a copyrighted work on a computer network).

Two persons have been convicted for violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which focuses on circumventing copy and access security measures (in contrast to infringement or the reproduction and distribution of copyrighted works):

February 27, 2006: David M. Fish, 24, of Watertown, Connecticut, a site operator and scripter, equipment supplier, broker, leech, and encoder for the warez sites, pleaded guilty to two violations of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, including distribution of technology primarily designed to circumvent encryption technology protecting a right of a copyright owner; and circumventing a technological measure that protects a copyright work, in addition to other copyright charges.

May 22, 2006: Kevin Smith, of Columbia, Missouri, pleaded guilty to circumventing a technological measure that protects a copyright work

Two persons have been convicted under the new "camming" statute (unauthorized recording of motion pictures in a movie theater), including the first conviction in the country under the April 2005 statute:

September 26, 2005: Curtis Salisbury, 19, of St. Charles, Missouri, pleaded guilty to two charges under the recently enacted "Family Entertainment and Copyright Act of 2005." He will be the first person convicted in the country under new statutes concerning the use of recording equipment in movie theaters and making a commercially distributed movie available for public consumption on a computer network. Investigators located Salisbury after analyzing the "dots" used on movies to designate the specific theater where the film was released. Salisbury admitted that, as an employee at the Des Peres Cinema 14 Theater Complex in St. Louis, Missouri, he used a camcorder to make and transmit copies of the movies. After the theater had closed to the public, he connected the camcorder equipment directly to the projector sound board while recording films in the theater. He also used a mini-disc recorder to capture the film sound that he later synchronized with the video using his computer to enhance the sound quality. His goal was to sell these unauthorized recordings by uploading them to the warez site. The movies included "The Perfect Man," which he uploaded on June 21, 2005, and "Bewitched," which he uploaded on June 28, 2005.

April 17, 2006: Susan Rempe, 55, formerly of Salinas, California (presently Bloomfield, New Mexico), pleaded guilty to "camming" or unauthorized recording of motion pictures in a movie theater. She admitted serving as a "cammer" by using audiovisual equipment to make and transmit unauthorized copies of movies, and portions thereof including sound, which were then uploaded to a warez site. She was employed at the Century Park 7 Theaters in Salinas, California. Some of the infringed movies included "A Lot Like Love," which she uploaded on May 20, 2005, and "Madagascar," which she uploaded on June 5, 2005 to the same warez server.

Three persons have been convicted under the new statute for uploading pre-releases on the Internet (criminal copyright infringement by distributing a copyrighted work on a computer network), including:

September 26, 2005: Curtis Salisbury, 19, of St. Charles, Missouri, noted above (first conviction in the country under new statute)

March 13, 2006: Matthew Fong, 19, of Miami, Florida , pleaded guilty to criminal copyright infringement by distributing a copyrighted work on a computer network, in addition to other copyright charges

May 22, 2006: Paul Sherman, of Malden, Massachusetts, a film critic, pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting criminal copyright infringement by distributing a copyrighted work on a computer network. Sherman admitted that between May 2002 and June 2005, he sold approximately 117 movies to a known warez supplier.

The following persons have pleaded guilty to conspiring to commit criminal copyright infringement and to violating the NET Act and aiding and abetting with the date of conviction noted:

May 8, 2006: Phillip Templeton, 24, of Kingsport, Tennessee

April 10, 2006: Johnny Russell, 34, of Spring, Texas

April 10, 2006: David Siloac, 27, of Clinton Township, Michigan

April 10, 2006: Ali Ghani, 28, of Irvine, California

April 3, 2006: Donovan Kargenian, 31, of El Cajon, California

April 3, 2006: David Siloac, 27, of Denver, Colorado, and formerly of Clinton Township, Michigan

April 3, 2006: Matthew Thompson, 22, of Lubbock, Texas

March 13, 2006: Eric Rolfe, 22, of Columbia, Missouri

March 13, 2006: Stephen Brown, 36, of Indianapolis, Indiana

March 13, 2006: Moises Nunez, 33, of Glendale, California

February 27, 2006: Deston Evans, 21, of Galax, Virginia

February 27, 2006: Oscar Martinez, 25, of San Diego, California .

January 9, 2006: Paul Aleman, 25, of Menafee, California

November 30, 2005: Nathaniel Lovell, 22, of Boulder, Colorado, an equipment supplier for the warez sites

November 14, 2005: Chirayu Patel, 23, of Fremont, California, and one of the site operators for the warez site

October 11, 2005: William Veyna, 34, of Chatworth, California, another site operator

The following persons have pleaded guilty to violating the NET Act and aiding and abetting with the date of conviction noted:

January 9, 2006: Philip Kang, 22, of Wayne, New Jersey

December 12, 2005: Jonathan Stanley Golenbock, 22, of Ithaca, New York

November 14, 2005: Daniel Van Horn, 32, of Wantagh, New York

October 3, 2005: Ryan Zeman, 23, of Rohnert Park, California

The following person has been convicted of conspiracy to commit copyright infringement:

May 22, 2006: Shon Peterman, 33, of Wichita, Kansas

The maximum penalties for conspiring to violated federal copyright law, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371, are five years in prison and three years of supervised release. The maximum penalties for violating the NET Act, in violation of 17 U.S.C. § 506(a)(1)(B), and 18 U.S.C. § 2319(c)(1), are three years in prison and two years of supervised release. A maximum fine of $250,000 applies to each offense, and a mandatory special assessment of $100 applies for each conviction. However, any sentence following conviction would be imposed by the court after consideration of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and the federal statute governing the imposition of a sentence, 18 U.S.C. § 3553. An indictment only contains allegations and these defendants, as with all defendants, must be presumed innocent unless and until convicted.

Mark L. Krotoski is the Assistant U.S. Attorney from the Computer Hacking and Intellectual Property (CHIP) Unit who is prosecuting the case, with the support of Legal Assistants Mimi Lam and Lauri Gomez. Assistant U.S. Attorney Stephanie M. Hinds and paralegal Alicia Chin are overseeing the asset forfeiture matters on the case.

Further Information:

More information on Operation Copycat may be found at:

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/can/press/html/2005_07_14_copycat_indictment.html.

More information on Operation Site Down may be found at:

http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/OperationSiteDown.htm

A copy of this press release and related court filings may be found on the U.S. Attorney’s Office’s website at www.usdoj.gov/usao/can.

Electronic court filings and further procedural and docket information are available at https://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/login.plhttps://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov/.

Judges’ calendars with schedules for upcoming court hearings can be viewed on the court’s website at www.cand.uscourts.gov.

All press inquiries to the U.S. Attorney's Office should be directed to Luke Macaulay at (415) 436-6757 or by email at Luke.Macaulay@usdoj.gov

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Frank Angel
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I guess it must have been that off-the-screen cam copy of BEWITCHED that the Feds caught that caused it to loose all the money! Had nothing to do with the fact that it was a piece of [bs] Millions of people must have been watching it on their laptops and ipods instead of going to the theatre. [Confused]

Wow....can you imagine going to jail because you made a bootleg copy of BEWITCHED? How humiliating. [Embarrassed]

I wonder what it cost in terms of undercover work, time and manpower of both the FBI and the prosecutors' office to do this sting. But I guess it's a prosecutor's dream to be the first one to get convictions on all those spanking new laws that the industry was able to ram through Congress. And it sure is good to know that in this day and age of terrorists and stealth cells who are hell-bent on blowing up our buildings with us in them, that our first line of defense is spending its resources and manpower being the private police force for the huge Hollwood conglomerates, in order to stop two-bit jerks from doing what everyone knows is not where the real economiclly threatening booklegs originate.

I also wonder who gets to keep the plasma tv they confiscated. [Big Grin]

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Richard Hamilton
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I am in China now. Any good movies in the theaters now? I have a question: If I buy a DVD here and bring it back to the states with the only purpouse of adding it to my DVD collection, am I breaking any laws? It is not against the law to buy or sell them here. They actually burn them, print the covers and package them in the shops. I asked for a certain movie once, and they told me to come back the next day. The next day they had it, and more copies of it sitting on the shelf! About 6 months ago there was an article in the Wall Street Journal about one of the big studios releasing a movie on DVD in China on the same day the movie opened in theaters. That way they could make a little money off their product that they know is being copied and sold anyway.

I had a copy of the last Star Wars film the day it opened in the States. It was a copy from the studios as it had the time code for editing running on the top of the picture. It also had all the language selections already added to it. Every DVD here can be watched with all of the language, and subtitle options.

By the way, I haven't paid to see a movie in a theater for over 20 years, nor would I buy or rent these movies when they come out on DVD in the states, so the film studios are not losing any money in this situation.

Believe it or not, these movies are actually a learning tool for my girlfriend. We watch them in english with Chinese subtitles. She can read something if she doesn't understand what they say. And she can ask me to explain it.

Rick

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Frank Angel
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quote: Richard Hamilton
If I buy a DVD here and bring it back to the states with the only purpouse of adding it to my DVD collection, am I breaking any laws?
Rick, if there is nothing in the copyright law right as this moment that would make what you are doing a capital crime, not to worry....the studios will just send a small army of their minions into Congress with tons of money stuffed in suitcases, free tickets to lush vacations in Tahiti and slutty hookers (and/or muscle boy hustlers) in tow, just to be sure the law gets re-written to include you and your nefarious infringing activity. And believe me, if they could implant a chip in your brain that would wi-fi a count of every time you THOUGHT about their copyrighted storyline, believe me....the &#$(*&@ers would so they could bill you for using their "intellectual" property. AND they would throw your ass in jail for fifty years. Oh yah, they probably would work forced castration into the law just for you too. [Mad]

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Ron Keillor
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Richard: Make sure you are getting a Zone 1 or all-zone copy, or buy an all-zone player to bring back with you. Chinese DVD's are usually zone 3.

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Carl Martin
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even their pirated dvd's are region-coded? is that so they don't cut into the profits of pirates in other parts of the world? i would never buy a pirated dvd if it couldn't be played in all regions.

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Frank Angel
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Likewise, I would never buy a COMMERCIAL DVD if I couldn't rip the damn Region Code and any of their other effed up "protection" schemes so that I can play it through whatever home playback system I choose to set up. And come the HD-DVDs....they better play without my having to connect to the internet or a telephone line or any other external crap, because I will tell you right now, I will go out and buy bootleg DVDs before I ever subscribe to THAT rip-off nonsense.

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Bobby Henderson
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I've never bothered to download any pirated DVD movies off the Internet. I just buy the retail ones in stores or off the Internet.

Why? My time is more valuable to me. It takes a lot less time and trouble to simply buy a DVD than potentially waste hours trying to get "something for free" off the Internet and successfully burn it to a blank DVD (or a kind of expensive dual layer DVD). When you add up all the effort it takes to make that pirated DVD dub you end up costing yourself money.

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Richard Hamilton
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Bobby, my situation is different. I can walk a block away from my apartment to a DVD store and buy the latest copy of any movie. Or CD for that matter. I buy them and watch them here in China, but of course I take them back to the states! If they don't work, (99% of them do), then it's cost me an extra buck. The cost of a DVD here is about 1 dollar. I do the same thing as you, walk in and buy them off the shelf.

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Bobby Henderson
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This is why the RIAA and various Hollywood studios need to focus nearly all of their efforts on controlling pre-release screener DVDs. They're chasing after the wrong people by concentrating on watermarking film prints and threatening individuals who simply download from the Internet. They need to go to the source of the problem: the pre-release DVD screeners.

Most mass-produced DVDs made in China are created from those pre-release screeners. Most people who want pirated DVDs of Hollywood films usually get DVDs sourced from those screener discs. It's a lot easier to just get one of those things than wasting a bunch of effort on BitTorrent to get something of equal or less quality.

I don't know very many people who download pirated DVD movies off the Internet, and the ones who do are usually just downloading porn.

Frankly, if I were running a Hollywood movie studio I would completely ban the production of those pre-release DVD screeners, and institute much more stringent measures of security on the circulation of digital data. Hollywood has lots of private screening rooms where actors and critics too good to see a movie in a regular theater can watch a film print. The studios lose too much by affording extra convenience to a few people with hyper-inflated egos.

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I think Bobby has hit the nail on the head with his comments.

The quality of these pirate dvds are good for off the screen camcorder stuff .

I have noticed that pirates of the caribbean 2 is already on the "net" for download , so that did not get camcrodered off any cinema screen.

A large portion of illegal DVDs come into australia from Bali, If I understand correctly , a pirate DVD is as good as stolen property , illegal goods, the question I ask is why don't governments start getting respective Customs departments to confiscate and destroy these items as they are brought back into the country as they would with any other illegal goods. or heavier still prosecute those bringing in the dvds.

There are far too many doors open, making the sale and disributions of these goods all too easy.

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