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Paul Gordon
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Its not people video taping the screen that's the problem....who wants to watch a shitty video copy anyway.. its the studio screeners! most of the bootleg DVD's or downloads are from perfect transfers with 5.1 sound.. I don't understand why Fox is so upset with Cineplex.. Fox should look a little more internally. I love how the blame always falls to someone else... Blame CANADA!!

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Mark J. Marshall
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quote: Mike Blakesley
The root problem is the "warehouses" where thousands of copies of pirate DVDs are printed up.
Fine. Tail the guy(s) for a couple of weeks, find out where the warehouse is, and burn it the fuck down. How hard is this?

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Paul Gordon
Its not people video taping the screen that's the problem....
I dunno... From the look of the article, Fox is pretty sure, and Cineplex isn't arguing the point much....

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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See the topic MPAA's Anti-Piracy website in this forum. Last March I posted a wire story about Montreal piracy.

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Dave Bird
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I don't know if it's a blame Canada thing, I notice that it's a Canadian article. Probably just another lame studio propaganda piece designed to (rightly) dissuade buying bootlegs. I recall a piece out of NYC talking about how bootlegs were costing the industry $8 billion a year. Really? So all those people who buy $4 illegal DVD's would really pay the $10. admission OR wait for the $30 DVD? Not likely, more contrived statistics. 50% of WORLDWIDE pirating comes from Canada, a country of 30 million? Again, not likely.

I know it's a problem which needs to be solved, but the problem of these patronizing articles is that they're so obviously exaggerated, they treat the public like we're a bunch of idiots.
It's hard to take it seriously, which is defeating the purpose of the whole campaign, stopping theft.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Dave Bird
I know it's a problem which needs to be solved, but the problem of these patronizing articles is that they're so obviously exaggerated, they treat the public like we're a bunch of idiots.
It's hard to take it seriously, which is defeating the purpose of the whole campaign, stopping theft.

EVERYBODY exaggerates their numbers these days... At the least, they go out of their way to make them look as good as they can (naturally).

Boxoffice has an article this month, touting D-Cinema's claim to have "topped the millenium mark" in terms of installs. I think they used the word at least 4 or 5 times in something like 3 articles.

"So, how many systems have you installed now?"

"Oh... a millenium or so."

[Confused]

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Andrew McCrea
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This could be a great thing for Canadian theatres.

1. Growth of Canadian exhibition: "Well, we don't have Pirates 3 this week, lets run X Canadian-made, Canadian-distributed film from X Canadian director,"

2. Exhibitors miss bombs: "Oh look, Snakes On A Plane did $15 million opening weekend in the USA. Lets put it on one small screen,"

3. Build anticipation: "OMG! Pirates 3 is getting 5 stars everywhere! I can't wait!"

I mean, there's disadvantages, but you wouldn't get stuck with a turkey, that's for sure.

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Anslem Rayburn
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quote: Paul Gordon
Its not people video taping the screen that's the problem....who wants to watch a shitty video copy anyway.. its the studio screeners! most of the bootleg DVD's or downloads are from perfect transfers with 5.1 sound.
I have seen bootlegs at someone elses home, and every single one of his many bootlegs are taken from a cinema screen. He acquired them while overseas in the military. I have seen one bootleg taken from a screener, and that was "Home Alone" and was shown during detention in High School!

I think screeners are a problem, but just because that's true, it doesn't mean that taping from a screen is less of a problem. There are PLENTY of people out there that are more than happy with a dirt cheap copy of a camcorded movie spinning in their DVD player at home, especially when they can get it while the film is still playing at the local theater. Don't underestimate the cheapness of people, or their desire to feel "cool" by having the latest, greatest movie before anyone else, just to show off to their friends. In these cases, it doesn't matter what quality the movie is.

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Dustin Mitchell
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And some camcorder theives can be quite sophisticated, as aluded to in the article. Why do you think the studios are so paranoid about DTS discs? Pirates were using them to add perfect 5.1 soundtracks to their DVD's. They even used disks to 'dub' their camcordered movies into different languages for world distribution.

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Andrew McCrea
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And why not target camcorder makers?

"Nah, let's just distribute our [bs] digitally, that'll deter pirates,"

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Mike Heenan
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Why not target VHS/mini dv/dvd manufacturers?

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Andrew McCrea
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Because they're already applying a fee to every piece of blank media that is sold, treating pretty much everyone like criminals.

If they developed some way for the flicker from 30fps taping 24fps to be permanent or applied a fee to those too, then they could shut up about the piracy because they'd be making a profit irregardless.

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Anslem Rayburn
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Let's not forget that a camcorder/VHS/mini dv/dvd has a million legal uses. Targeting theater chains that don't do enough to stop illegal taping of a movie is the only logical way to stop the activity.

As a theater, we are supposed to be a partner with the studio. Our end of the deal involves providing a clean, professional atmosphere for people to enjoy a product. The studio's end involves providing said product. As the end of the chain that displays and sells entry to view the product, we are responsible for protecting it. Just like a store is responsible for protecting it's inventory, not the supplier the store gets their goods from.

No matter what other problems exist with respect to piracy, it's time this industry take some responsibility and quit trying to pass the buck. Every time one of these discussions comes up, everyone is quick to point out screeners and laugh off the idea that people would actually pay money to get a copy of a camcorded movie. It happens, and it needs to be addressed. It doesn't matter what other ways movies are pirated, if they don't involve theaters. We can only address the issues with our own industry, and when we have done that, we can bitch about the other areas.

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Andrew McCrea
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Could theatres somehow project ifrared beams from behind the screen to blackout the images?

Clive Owen did it "Inside Man", so it must be true. [Razz]

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Chad M Calpito
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I would have to agree with Anslem on this. You said it well. But, I also will agree with various points brought up in this topic.

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