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Darryl Spicer
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posted 02-13-2007 09:11 PM

quote: Steve Guttag
Go back 20 years in your own life...rarely do your views or "vision" remain constant...I find it complete BS that the current forms are what his original vision was. His vision for Star Wars was from the mid 1970s with that technology.

Exactly......and when I was sitting in the theatre watching the film I wasn't going man this movie would look a whole lot better if it had this or that in it or if they used something that wasn't invented yet.

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Mike Heenan
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posted 02-13-2007 11:15 PM

Schindlers list said

quote: Mike Schindler
EDIT: Looking back at my earlier post, I realized that my wording was kinda vague. Just to clarify, Cinemax aired all 6 movies in HD a few months ago, and like many people, I took the opportunity to record them so that I wouldn't have to watch them on DVD anymore. But since they were the 2004 versions, I skipped JEDI, because I have very little interest in that version's existence.

[ 02-12-2007, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: Mike Schindler ]

So why did you watch and record eps 4 and 5? Those were altered too.

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Mike Schindler
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posted 02-14-2007 09:45 AM

Mike, I don't have a problem with movies being altered. I have a problem with movies being altered without director consent. Episode IV obviously had director consent.

Episode V was directed by Irvin Kershner. His take on the SE is essentially that the alterations don't matter. Some are good, some are pointless. But in the end, it's the same damn movie. What does matter to him is the restoration work which has been done to the film. He thinks that the SE is better because it looks and sounds better. So that's the version to watch, as far as I'm concerned.

But with Episode VI, Marquand died a decade before any changes were made, so he obviously couldn't approve them. So I watch the theatrical version.

It's worth noting that Episodes I and II have also been altered. The only one which has never been touched is Episode III.

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Mike Heenan
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posted 02-14-2007 10:56 AM

Yeah but they're altered from the directors original vision! [Razz]

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Mike Schindler
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posted 02-14-2007 11:32 AM

Who cares? To me, the most interesting part of the filmmaking process is editing. As I see it, the editor's job is to tell the director that his original vision sucks, and find a way to make it suck less. So, if anything, I would encourage directors to alter movies from their original visions, because 9 times out of 10, it makes for a better movie.

On the flip side, I can totally understand someone not wanting to do that years later. I probably wouldn't.

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Frank Dubrois
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posted 02-16-2007 12:26 AM

quote: Mike Schindler
As I see it, the editor's job is to tell the director that his original vision sucks, and find a way to make it suck less

The editors for the orginal Star Wars didn't tell George crap...They tried to edit the original Star Wars their way, and George canned their asses. Probably one of his better decisions based on how well the movie turned out.

If the editors WERE that good at their job (making a movie suck less) then they should move on to direct movies rather than just edit someone elses work.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 02-16-2007 10:16 AM

quote: Frank Dubrois
If the editors WERE that good at their job (making a movie suck less) then they should move on to direct movies rather than just edit someone elses work.

Directing and Editing are two entirely different disciplines, and often demand two entirely different kinds of people for the best results.

Editing is not some "rank" of progression on a ladder up to a "general's rank" of directing.

It is exceedingly rare that any film director can also sit down and do a credible job of cutting the movie as well. One, the director won't have the objective point of view in being able to get rid of certain footage that doesn't matter. Two, editing is a very specialized job requiring very specialized skills and knowledge. Three, and most important, the director often isn't going to have the time to cut his own movie. He's going to be way too busy doing other stuff. Filmmaking is a very collaborative process. The best directors try to surround themselves with very good people to which he can delegate authority and workload.

Certain filmmakers try to do "everything." Sometimes it may work, but other times the quality of the product may be watered down.

Peter Hyams isn't the greatest director, but he certainly isn't the greatest cinematographer in the world either. Yet he usually insists on doing both DP and directing jobs on his films. IMHO, the image quality suffers for it. Many of his movies look very washed out.

Robert Rodriquez seems to prefer directing and editing his movies. He often even comes up with the music score as well. Unfortunately, I think his own music just seems unremarkable compared to people that only create music for a living. If Quentin Tarantino tried doing his own music on Kill Bill rather than letting RZA come up with some much better stuff I think it really would have harmed the overall quality of the two movies.

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Mike Schindler
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posted 02-16-2007 10:47 AM

quote: Frank Dubrois
The editors for the orginal Star Wars didn't tell George crap...They tried to edit the original Star Wars their way, and George canned their asses.

I'd never heard this before. Do you have any details? Who were they?

I did read a story in a Star Wars magazine a long time ago about an assembly of the footage that was cut during filming to give Lucas a sense of what he had and what he needed. The journalist was invited to watch the only remaining black and white copy of the cut, and he reported on what the differences were like. But as far as I know, Lucas had always intended to start again from scratch with his team.

quote: Bobby Henderson
Robert Rodriquez seems to prefer directing and editing his movies. He often even comes up with the music score as well. Unfortunately, I think his own music just seems unremarkable compared to people that only create music for a living.

I agree wholeheartedly with almost everything you said, but I like Rodriguez' music quite a bit. And you have to give him credit as one of the truly great director/editors of all time.

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Frank Dubrois
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posted 02-18-2007 01:35 AM

quote: Mike Schindler
I'd never heard this before. Do you have any details? Who were they?

I don't remember who he canned, but he ended up bringing in his wife and some asian guy I think. If you have Empire of Dreams, he talks about it in there. The original editors insisted on putting the movie together one way and refused to bend. Empire of Dreams is a great documentary, look into it.

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