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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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 - posted 12-03-2007 11:14 AM      Profile for Daryl C. W. O'Shea   Author's Homepage   Email Daryl C. W. O'Shea   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Monte, are you sure you guys weren't being paid by the studio to run it that long?

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Per Hauberg
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 - posted 12-03-2007 02:17 PM      Profile for Per Hauberg   Author's Homepage   Email Per Hauberg   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You can have an example from the most humble site in business:
My place is one of the smallest in the country: screen 1 seats 88, screen 2 just 39 visitors. 5.000 inhabitants in the village, 2-3 miles to the competition - 3 modern houses with 5-8 screens, max 550 seats.
I run about 80-100 titles a year, and will sell about 27.000 tickets in 2007. -Just 5 years ago, it was a stable 35.000 a year. 10-12 first-runs every year, the rest coming within 2-3 months from opening. Biggest hit: "Titanic" 10.200 tickets !!Ticket price must be 60 DKK - about 10 $, or I will have no films before the video-release. That means, box-office makes about 1,6 million DKK = 162.000 US$, and no: The danes do not buy concessions as an american audience: I'm lucky, when they spend 1,5 buck a head ! A 2K installation will cost about 125.000 $ per screen right now - And no ! I don't think it is a matter of me, not having looked foreward in time, because I haven't got those 250 grants lying there. I had to buy me a Kinton FP30D three years ago for Screen2 for about 23 K$ - thats acceptable (and a fine peace for the money), even for those 39 seats, but 125K...?? My two vintage 1960 DP70 are still running fine, and could do so until my retirement, so why spend that much money for [dlp] . I don't think, many in the audience will stand up and shout about pictures being better than before.
When (if... [Roll Eyes] ) the digital picture becomes a must, half the danish cinemas will be closing, and I am afraid, I'll be among the minus part.
The video window is very firm in Denmark: Foreign film comes on DVD 4 months, danish productions 6 months from cinema premiere, video distributors still pressing to get an even shorter window.
Mosts DVDs selling at 30-35 $, Disney a bit more, and to compare, 1 litre of 95 octane unleaded is today 10,21 DKK = 1,70 US$ (3,785 litre = 1 US gallon).
But I'm still here - running World Premiere friday on "Golden Compass" - Advance sale: 2 tickets [Confused]

And that, Gentlemen - is the situation as today, december, the 3rd, 2007 in Malling, Denmark !

P.s.: Monte: Did You find the key again for Your MakeUp Table, so life can go on ?

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Ron Curran
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 - posted 12-04-2007 12:48 AM      Profile for Ron Curran   Author's Homepage   Email Ron Curran   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We bleed all the cinema’s riches. After, that is, the install of 4 track mag, then Xenon, platter, automation, Dolby SVA, then DTS, then Dolby Digital, then ES, then …

Of course, to show certain features before video release we had to invest in a server and digital projector, followed by a 2K upgrade and an up-spec projector.

Along with this, we lost many weeks of income to alter for disability facilities, followed by the same authorities closing us down again to alter the access again due to a change of policy that resulted in a 20% loss of capacity.

Yes, it’s all cream to us independents.

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Phil Blake
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 - posted 12-05-2007 08:07 AM      Profile for Phil Blake   Author's Homepage   Email Phil Blake   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I see the future of our cinemas is in the hands of the makers.

I todays fast disposable society we don't screen a hit that will hang on for 7 8 or 10 months straight. Those days are gone , we simply entertain or rather entice people to our houses with something that is popular or in the younger ones terms "Cool".

I don't see any type of TV ,DVD ,Cable etc as a direct threat to our patronage. We are offering a night out , if people choose to stay at home we are not in the race to compete. However If they choose to go out , then we are competing against restaurants , hotels, clubs, casinos etc.

As for the technology , 100' screens 10k xenons 8 tier platters and sound systems that are from another world may very well impress all us operators , but frankly most say 14 to 29 year old patron could not give a rats ass about it all.

They are indeed going out to see a "cool" show together with their partners for a night out.Or if the show that that great it is just simply cool to be seen there. Alot just go for that reason. I guess this makes up for the majority, then we do have the respectable citizens that do wander in for entertainment and escapism from the house and the lonely who gather for friendship , they are the best type , not mess and not ripped up seats but sadly not enough of em.

When I look back over the past five years and all the marketing tricks I have tried , our takings have been up and down with only one common factor present. If we have a film that is hot and the town is talking about it , they will pour in the door.

No matter how bad or good it is, if it captures the audience and it is "Cool" it will work, word will spread and it happens automatically.

The problem is that the gap between these types of films is getting larger, we are being sold too much Crap , Movies have lost their dynamic stand alone greatness, They are churned out by the dozens and maybe one out of every 30 is the one that they want. Trouble being we have suffered the 29 failures in between.

I also believe price is also a major factor , 10 years ago we ran movies in the local hall , $5 for kids , we would get over a 150 kids in on a Saturday afternoon for a 6 month old sub run.

Now we are running new releases in a dedicated cinema and charging $11 for kids we get about 15 to 20 kids in on a Saturday afternoon.

As long as we have the right "item" on our shelves at the right price , we will always have bums on seats.

The problem of selecting the "Right Item" is the hard part.

Even looking back trough attendance at the Drive in on the 1960s before the town had TV this trend was still the same , it the movie was not something that was talked about , it would draw only a few cars.

Distributor promotions is one last point that does make a difference.

I have found heavy advertising by distributors makes a huge difference to attendances.

My last days at the Drive in in 1986 we ran a triple feature of a home movie/ documentary films by an Aussie adventure Alby Mangles , mentioning that name will make a few in the industry cringe! , However the marketing those films received from the distributor was an absolute saturation. In 1986 we were battling TV and video and we were just about buggered. The three nights we ran those features we got more cars in than the drive In had ever got in its 20 year history.

It is also amusing to look at the reactions . people seem to appreciate watching a heavily advertised crappy show and walk away happy. But If they walk up and watch an unknown crappy film they will walk out very unhappy.

I guess the moral is you cant polish a turd but if you sell it well people will buy it.

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Brad Allen
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 - posted 12-07-2007 05:21 PM      Profile for Brad Allen   Email Brad Allen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Very well said Phil.

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Monte L Fullmer
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 - posted 12-07-2007 06:50 PM      Profile for Monte L Fullmer   Email Monte L Fullmer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Phil Blake
I guess the moral is you cant polish a turd but if you sell it well people will buy it.

..and NOW you wonder why McDonalds can sell their horsemeat hamburgers left and right over the nearest competition...marketing skills to the hilt!

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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 12-07-2007 07:00 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
McDonalds' success has everything to do with three things:

1. Being reliably fast
2. Being attractive to kids
3. Being consistent from location to location

The food has next to nothing to do with it. (Well, maybe the fries a little.)

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Monte L Fullmer
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 - posted 12-07-2007 09:02 PM      Profile for Monte L Fullmer   Email Monte L Fullmer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea
are you sure you guys weren't being paid by the studio to run it that long?

..Couldn't tell yas Daryl on that one since I don't have anything to do with booking matters - just that the traffic in this movie wouldn't die off though for that booking. Yet, we've had similar insidences where movies don't last as long in our local 1st run house and we can hang on to them longer - for the simple fact that people in our county love to come to our theatre being cheap and our county isn't that all rich due to being an agriculture county, not an industrialized county.

Hey Mike!

I'm sure that you and/or your wife can make better hamburgers that "McD's" any day of the week. Just that, as you mentioned in your three listings that they can win it over with the kids with a clown character and that a big marketing winner in itself.

Now, wouldn't it be fun if you could find a marketing tact to win over "The Clown of the Golden Arches".

-Monte

[ 12-08-2007, 03:48 AM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]

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Scott McGuire
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How about adding a mickey d's into the concesion stand?

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Mike Blakesley
McDonalds' success has everything to do with three things:

1. Being reliably fast
2. Being attractive to kids
3. Being consistent from location to location

Having the most effective business sign in the world helps.

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Louis Bornwasser
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 - posted 12-08-2007 08:24 AM      Profile for Louis Bornwasser   Author's Homepage   Email Louis Bornwasser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The BEST showbusiness in the world...McD's.

Perhaps there is something there for our business to learn? Louis

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 12-08-2007 09:25 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, they fail at being reliably fast. Wendy's has them beat by a wide margin there.

Mark

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Frank Angel
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 - posted 12-09-2007 01:38 AM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Mike Blakesley
The food has next to nothing to do with it. (Well, maybe the fries a little.)
Mike, here I disagree....the reason that burger is a winner is because it appeals to the broadest range of taste buds -- and to get that appealing taste, they spend millions of dollars in R&D to perfect it. It may be horsemeat (and even that's questionable), but it's been pulverized, flavorized and taste tested to the point were they find the taste that is most appealing to huge numbers of people. If it tasted like what it really is, no one would eat it. But you've got to hand it to them, they have figured out how to make the cheapest junk food taste like actual edible food. I can't imagine that this is an easy feat. But then again, IMAX is making a couple of 2K video projectors look to the general public like a real 15/70 film image....or so they think. We shall see. Maybe they should offer fries with each ticket.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Thus, it looks like "McD's", "Wallys-World" and IMAX are accomplishing the ultimate - to "re-educate" the public with the results of their marketing skills and products combined.

Then, you have others who are trying the worst thing ever imagined when they see these results and turn into "welfare" cases due to them: "Following success with hope."

-Monte

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Frank Angel
Mike, here I disagree....the reason that burger is a winner is because it appeals to the broadest range of taste buds
I agree with you there, but you have to admit that nearly every other fast-food chain offers a better burger than McDonalds does. I'd take a Wendy's single or a Dairy Queen Grillburger, or a Burger King burger anyday over a McD burger. (I don't like Big Macs because of all the extra junk they pile on it.)

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