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James Kulaprathazhe
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Any one can tell me which one is better? RTS or Sensible Cinema POS.? Which one is faster, reliable, get every day activity reports, and how easy to get support (trouble shootings) from manufacture?

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Justin Hamaker
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I'm running a demo of Sensible Cinema right now. I think the Box Office for RTS is much simpler. The concession seems to be much simpler than RTS. I can't really say about the reports because I'm not using it in a real world setting so I can see how the report compare with cash and such. Sensible Cinema beats RTS hands down for overall appearance.

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Tristan Lane
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quote: Justin Hamaker
Perhaps I'm expecting too much from RTS, but I find it to be overly complicated in many areas and too simplistic in others.
Took the words out of my mouth. Although RTS is an economical system and at the price it really is the best option for someone on a tight budget, it leaves a lot to be desired for multi-site companies or companies with more than just basic POS needs.

To their defense, they continue to add features and their support is very good.

If you are considering cook to order items, RTS has the functionality to set up a "fill order" station. Certain items can be set to display on the fill order station with a printed reciept with the customer order # being printed at the time of sale. Once the item is ready for the customer, the fill order station displays the current orders. You finish them out and the attached printer will also print up a ticket with the corresponding order number for pickup. It sounds like John is using this function at his drive-in.

We tried to use it in our kitchen for certain cooked items we sell in our concessions stand. It worked, but proved to be too confusing to the kitchen staff since other orders were coming in from the table service POS system.

RTS has a "table service" option within their software, but so far all it does is change the splash screen at startup to say "RTS Restaurant"

Clarity Commerce Solutions is one of the more popular venue pos systems in Europe and Marcus Theaters has migrated their entire operation from Radiant to Clarity and the folks I talk to said it is very good. They also offer restaurant POS and a number of other modules and options like wireless POS and such.

Radiant is still one of the highest priced POS systems for exhibition that I've dealt with, regardless of them losing Regal and AMC. Their software is probably the most robust I've seen and I'm wondering if the theater POS really isn't that important to them anymore since they purchased Aloha restaurant POS, which is a direct competitor to Micros. Both are widely used in most restaurants.

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Robert LaValley
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quote: Tristan Lane
Radiant is still one of the highest priced POS systems for exhibition that I've dealt with, regardless of them losing Regal and AMC.

Radiant lost regal and amc? what are they using now?

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Justin Hamaker
Sensible Cinema beats RTS hands down for overall appearance.
I have often wished RTS would take some steps to make their screens "look better." There are no options for adjusting the size of anything.

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David Zylstra
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quote: Robert LaValley
Radiant lost regal and amc? what are they using now?
I beleive Regal is using Allure (started by the same person who started Prysm (sp?), which became Radiant).

I heard AMC was having some custom system done, but I have not heard specifics.

Radiant's tag line at ShoWest was that they were not just for the big chains so I think they may have put some effort into better pricingoptions for smaller exhibitors.

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Jack Ondracek
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RTS has been working on a major rewrite for some time. I don't know when it will release, but it's supposed to allow for more flexibility. Apparently, the current database scheme limits some of the functionality we might like.

Screen esthetics are a personal issue that seems a matter of choice. I don't have a problem with the way it looks, though I will admit that the Sensible system is has a flashier presentation.

Whether to use one or the other amounts to your personal needs. The Sensible Cinema software is purchased outright... you own it. There are no other charges involved, other than possibly those related to credit card and internet ticket processing. Since there is no subsequent revenue stream from you to Sensible, you must pay for anything past the most simple email-based questions. Updates are infrequent and the "support staff" is small. For me, that didn't work at all. When I was using the software, it was a "staff" of one... the owner, and he wasn't easy to contact or deal with.

The RTS software can be downloaded from their web site. It is fully operational, except that any station that actually conducts a monetary transaction must be licensed. The licenses are annual. You can network any number of unlicensed machines for monitoring and database administration. You only have to pay for the ones that actually sell or void something. For the money, you get frequent updates (downloaded from the internet). Support is included. Phones lines are staffed during business hours, and they have emergency pagers to get you in touch with someone after-hours.

I had my RTS system working with two sites. It seemed to work fine, but my needs may not have been as complex as others. In any case, having used both RTS and Sensible, RTS does a much better job for me.

The RTS "table service" function may not be fully developed. I asked about it last year, and I think they may be regretting that the system shows it. It looks to me like they didn't fully think out the functionality before they put the option in. Hopefully, that will work itself out. It does help them a lot when their customers spend the time to tell them what they need. I got a lot of my "wish list" worked into the system that way.

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Mike Blakesley
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Jack: When you submit a "wish" to RTS and they integrate it for you, do you have to re-submit your list of tweaks whenever they release a new version or do your requests automatically get included?

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Mike Spaeth
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We use RTS and the inventory functions are awesome. We do nightly station counts, and RTS facilitates this perfectly. What may be overcomplicated for some is perfect for us!

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Tristan Lane
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quote: David Zylstra
Radiant's tag line at ShoWest was that they were not just for the big chains so I think they may have put some effort into better pricingoptions for smaller exhibitors.

I beg to differ on this. There are a couple of things that have swayed me and others from Radiant. The key item being hardware. Radiant claims they will allow 3rd party harware to be used, but charge an insane amount for "hardware evaluation" and they charge this fee per station. This to me seems asinine and overall just a tactic to sell hardware along with their software. The fees associated amount to using your current hardware equal purchasing new hardware.

POS runs on a PC and 90% of the software out there runs on a windows platform using keyboard emulated MSR readers and USB or Serial touchscreens. The hardware is nothing more than a computer with a touchscreen.

On RTS: They are working on a new version, which migrates all database and user interface functions over to .net platform. I'm not sure if this is good or bad. It gives RTS the ability to easily make changes to the software.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Mike Blakesley
When you submit a "wish" to RTS and they integrate it for you, do you have to re-submit your list of tweaks whenever they release a new version or do your requests automatically get included?
If parts of your wish list show up in the software, they're permanent. All subsequent upgrades will include those "tweaks".

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the inventory functions are awesome. We do nightly station counts, and RTS facilitates this perfectly. What may be overcomplicated for some is perfect for us!
Well put, Mike. That part of the system doesn't work well for us, but we're a single-location, independent operation, and have a pretty basic process for keeping track of what we have.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Tristan Lane
On RTS: They are working on a new version, which migrates all database and user interface functions over to .net platform. I'm not sure if this is good or bad. It gives RTS the ability to easily make changes to the software.
I highly doubt it's to "give them the ability to easily make changes." They already can easily make changes (they have their own source code and programmers).

My guess is the reason they're switching to .net is more to do with the fact that there are more .net programmers out there now than whatever setup they're using right now. Like if none of their applicants have used the language they're using and they're having the older guys retire, it's definitely in their best interest to switch things around.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Mike Blakesley
There are no options for adjusting the size of anything.
You can adjust the concession screen... to a point... by setting how many items will show per line. Reducing the number should make the buttons bigger. That may be about it, though.

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Sean McKinnon
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IIRC you could make buttons larger in Radiant TMS by selecting the same item on multiple opposing buttons.

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Brad Allen
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RTS, has been around since the DOS days. It was written so it would run on practically any lowly PC system.

I've used RTS since the DOS days, and when it was a one man show, Rob the owner and chief programmer, bottle washer and cook was the entire operation.

That is why it has outgrown it's current programming language, its still written basically the same as when it was ran on DOS.

So yes, .net will allow Rob and crew to do things they've wanted to do and add things, but couldn't in the old DOS themed version.

New Version 8 Beta is available for download and trial on their website.

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