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Julio Roberto
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They can argue all they want. The customer is NOT forced to buy the glasses. They can bring their own. They can buy them off ebay for all we care. They are NOT forced to buy popcorn either.

Sure if they don't bring glasses and they don't buy a pair anywhere they are going to see a blurry picture, but they can opt to go to 2D show.

The glasses are NOT part of the ticket. If you REQUIRE the customer to make a purchase, such as a food minimun or something to get in, then yes.

But you don't.

You are happy to let the customer come in w/o buying glasses, just the ticket (with a 3D surcharged applied, but with glasses not included).

It's a waste to be selling millions and millions of glasses over and over to the same people when they can just bring their own and buy whichever model/price they can find around.

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Chad Souder
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They do argue - and they win. Every theatre pays film rental on the glasses rental, 3D upcharge, or whatever they call it. Every theatre (or at least the major chains) fought with the studios on this issue - and lost. It's settled and doesn't look to change anytime soon. Maybe it's different in Spain, but that's how it's going to stay here.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Matt Fields
Fox sued a dinner theatre for requiring a food minimum, saying that they were entitled to a percentage of the food if it was required for admission.
Do you know which theater? What was their food minimum? Did they actually require a food minimum, or was that minimum amount of food included in the ticket price?

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Ian Parfrey
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So Fox are now into making food? [Confused]

I never knew that poor old Rupert was so hard up for cash.

Bloody hell, what next?....a percentage on concession revenue? [fu]

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Julio Roberto
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quote: Chad Souder
They do argue - and they win. Every theatre pays film rental on the glasses rental, 3D upcharge, or whatever they call it. Every theatre (or at least the major chains) fought with the studios on this issue - and lost. It's settled and doesn't look to change anytime soon. Maybe it's different in Spain, but that's how it's going to stay here.
Don't get me wrong. This is DIFFERENT from the 3D surcharge. You DO charge a 3D surcharge included in the ticket price and split it with the distributor.

You just give the customer the OPTION to bring his own pair of glasses or SELL them a new pair, if they so WISH at free will. If they don't want it, they can still purchase the ticket just fine, with its 3D surcharge intact, but you warn them they'll be better off buying the 2D version, as it'll be less blurry [Wink]

I don't know elsewhere, but there is no way studios will win anything remotely like that in Spain.

Customers are NOT required to buy food or buy graduated glasses or buy hats or buy binoculars to watch a film. If they want to, all those items are available for sale at the lobby, ebay or elsewhere. The studios just provides the film.

A different thing would be if they were forced to buy the items. Then I agree with the studios. But they are not. You can argue that without 3D glasses they can't (really) enjoy the film, as it looks blurry without them. The same as people who need graduated glasses or hearing aids. But the consumer doesn't have to buy a different pair of glasses everytime. That, I'm sure, any judge will agree with.

They buy the glasses once, and then go enjoy all the 3D movies they want.

I doubt the studios will make a lot of fuzz about the (forced) sale of glasses as there is no money in it for them. The glasses have a fixed cost and the money goes neither to the distributor nor to the theater, but to the glasses reseller/manufacturer. Selling them separate doesn't significantly affect the distributor, while it allows the theater to make a small extra profit from a SALES act. Last I checked, when you sold something, you were allowed by the law to make a profit from the act of the sale to cover the cost of the merchandise, the cost of labor, the taxes and enjoy anything left over from the transaction.

You don't buy the glasses nor the popcorn from the distributor, nor have you any reason to split any profits from its SALE to them.

What MAY be illegal and you may get sued about, is a customer complaining he already has a pair of 3D glasses that he purchased on ebay (or elsewhere, there are "designer" 3D glasses available) and you are forcing him to pay for another (inferior) pair every single time he goes to your theater to watch a film that he can watch just fine because he already has a pair glasses.

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Matt Fields
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Sorry Brad for the slow response...I didn't check this thread again. The theatre in question was an account of my booker, who relayed the story to me. I think the theatre was in the Chicago area, but that could be wrong.

The theatre was having a problem with people coming in and not buying anything, even a drink. Well they want to sell burgers and what not so they placed the minimum order on there to discourage those people from coming. When Fox found out they threatened a lawsuit and eventually the minimum was dropped. My previous post was poorly worded, I don't know for sure if it went all the way to court or not, but they were at least strong armed into dropping the minimum.

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Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
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Could a dinner theatre avoid the problem by putting the ticket prices up and providing 'free' basic food items e.g soft drinks and small bites e.g. olives? You'd have to pay a cut to the distributor but it might offset the losses they make from people not buying food. The customers who buy food anyway wouldn't be inconvenienced as that part of their meal was now included. Some of our cinemas have a similar set-up in their VIP areas, your ticket gets you access to free unlimited drinks/popcorn/nachos from the stand.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote:
You just give the customer the OPTION to bring his own pair of glasses or SELL them a new pair, if they so WISH at free will. If they don't want it, they can still purchase the ticket just fine, with its 3D surcharge intact,
Julio, you ARE forced to "buy" the glasses, but you're not forced to TAKE the glasses. The surcharge is the price for the 3-D upgrade, which includes the glasses.

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Cameron Glendinning
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There are cinemas here in Australia who do exactly as Julio suggests.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
Could a dinner theatre avoid the problem by putting the ticket prices up and providing 'free' basic food items e.g soft drinks and small bites e.g. olives? You'd have to pay a cut to the distributor but it might offset the losses they make from people not buying food.
Smarter idea, imo, is to lower the ticket price to a point where the people in your area are likely to go ahead and purchase food anyway, then negotiate with the studio for possibly increasing their percentage of the box office pull. And since you make a way better profit margin on the food than the tickets, you end up winning in the end.

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Mike Blakesley
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"Negotiate with the studio!" That's a good one. [Roll Eyes]

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Chris Slycord
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Ok so the more likely thing is that the studio will say "You're going to increase the percentage you give to us since you want a cheaper ticket price." But again, since the goal in the scenario is to increase purchases of your food, that is perfectly acceptable in my scenario.

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Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
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I see what you mean, but I'm not convinced low ticket prices impact positively on food spend or hit rates. In my experience customers who have got a cheap deal on a ticket are likely to not pay the prices cinemas charge for food because (depending on your opinion) they're either tight or sensible. It depends on your local market though I guess.

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Ron Curran
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I have noticed that most people who present free passes organised by the distributor do not purchase anything from the kiosk.
Some distributors issue free passes for every release but they are only redeemed at very popular films.

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