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Mike Frese
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My sincere apologies to the spelling/grammar police.

I did try to edit my post and received this message:
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Manny Montes
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 - posted 04-04-2010 11:26 PM      Profile for Manny Montes   Email Manny Montes   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I know that regal may seem a little tight, but I honestly love it. I've progressed quickly and hopefully will have a decent career.

It's nice to see that there are a few people who've had good experiences as GMs, I hope to maybe even progress to DM. I just love doing what I do, honestly every single day I walk in and clock in I love what I do, even on the crap days. Its amazing.

I've got 3 years to graduate, I figure I'll finish but it just seems as if college is guiding me to a "4 year graduation plan then get a job" instead of "get an education and be intelligent" which is why i'm kind of done with it

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Jeremy Weigel
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I do encourage you to still get a degree just so you can say you have it. A lot of large corporations automatically consider it worth paying you more for it. I worked full time and went to school and received my BS in Accounting. It took 6 1/2 year(working for Regal the entire time) to do it, but I did it. Once I graduated and made my DM aware that had, I did get a small bump in pay because I had a business related degree.

When I first went to work for Regal(1994-2001) I loved it too. But, with the acquisition of so many different smaller chains that took place in my time with them, the corporate culture changed such that I no longer looked forward to going to work and after one final incident that took place on Christmas of 2000 I decided I had had enough.

When I left and went to work for my current employer they were impressed that I had my degree and took it into consideration during salary negotiations.

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Christopher Crouch
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If you love what you are doing and desire to make a career of theatre operations, then you should definitely make an effort to continue moving forward. Yes, there are certain "fun" aspects lost and burdens added as you move in to upper management (or any position of greater responsibility for that matter). However, there is also the reward of growth, achievement, and new challenges in making such a move.

As "fun" and "free and easy" as the life of an assistant can be, nothing ruins that experience like remaining in the position too long. I've known far too many individuals who avoided moving ahead because they didn't want the added responsibilities or to lose the "fun" they were having. While they may have extended their "free and easy" days a bit, in the long run, they ended up unhappy and usually left the industry. What was once "fun", becomes boring and routine; "free and easy" grows frustrating, as coworkers move on, you grow older, and find yourself left behind.

While you are still relatively young and have plenty of time to enjoy where you are, don't allow yourself to settle in to a comfort zone. Opportunities pass much quicker than you might expect. If you want to continue loving your work, look for new challenges and move forward in your career. Take it from someone who was faced with the same decision nearly two decades ago, it's much better to have moved on and reminisce about the great times you once had as an assistant, than to still be that assistant.

As for continuing your education; You will never reach a point in life where you say "I wish I had less education". Stay in school and finish what you started, I guarantee you won't regret it.

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Sean McKinnon
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You should try to learn and do as much as you can. Depending on what kind of GM you have ask him to show you how to do certain things like weekly reports etc... Then suprise him/her by preparing them when they are due (only if they are the type to respect your enthusiasm and willingness to learn) showing them that you can take on added responsibility without the title will help you when your DM ask's his GM's who's ready to step up?

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Chris Slycord
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On a tangential note to what Sean is talking about, just be careful that there are some people who will definitely take advantage of that enthusiasm and think "Why should I pay him more if he's willing to do the same work for less?"

Not saying your manager is going to be like that, but everyone's dealt with those people who don't exactly fart rainbows.

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Manny Montes
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yeah, I told my GM about wanting to make a career of it, he's been really good about showing me everything. I'm just waiting for a first assistant position to open up somewhere nearby

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Sean McKinnon
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Chris is absolutely right. I fell into a situation where I was told flat out by my RM that I should have gotten promoted to an open GM spot at a 10 screen I was an assistant at but that they had to give it to someone who was older and had been at the company longer but that I was basically supposed to do his job anyways. I did get almost the same money as him but the lack of the title bugged me back then when I was 21 now that I am almost 30 I could care less about titles.

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Michael Riley
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Hello there,

First off, I do wish you the best in your future career choice. I however was a GM for Regal briefly a few years ago, after many years as an associate, and I can honestly say I would rank the job of being a GM for Regal as being slightly above being the guy who mops up at the adult theater, and slightly below the guy who cleans portable toilets.

For anyone with any business or managerial background, Regal can be at times an almost maddening company to work for. Their corporate office is run by people out of a Dilbert comic. In fact, I'm just going to literally copy and paste from the Dilbert entry on Wikipedia, with some slight modifications

Regal Entertainment Group portrays corporate culture as a Kafkaesque world of bureaucracy for its own sake and corporate politics that stand in the way of productivity, where employees' skills and efforts are not rewarded, and busy work is praised.

Themes explored include:

# Incompetent and sadistic management

* Scheduling and budgeting without reference to reality
* Failure to reward success or penalize laziness
* Penalizing employees for failures caused by bad management
* Micromanagement
* Failure to improve others' morale, lowering it instead
* Failure to communicate objectives
* Handling of projects doomed to failure or cancellation
* Sadistic HR policies with flimsy (or purely evil) rationale

Honestly, this is Regal in a nutshell. The reason you see so many GM postings is because there is a tremendously high burn out rate amongst Regal GM's for precisely these reasons. The other reason is because of the fact that their HR department
is fashioned after the Gestapo, and operates in a way where terrible managers who happen to have friends in high places go untouched, while great managers who fall into bad circumstances, whether it was their fault or not get tossed immediately. I have seen so many awful managers over the years that somehow stay under the radar, while others who commit far less grievous fouls get fired on their first offense. It's all entirely political too, and when push comes to shove, even people who will claim to have your back will turn on you.

Oh yes, and don't go into Regal expecting to make a livable salary. Their starting pay for lower management is only about a dollar above minimum wage whatever that is where you are. Assistants rarely make more than $12 or $13 an hour on salary, and that's only at the busiest of theaters in the company. The only GM's that were making any serious bank were the ones from the Pre-REG Hoyts / UA / Edwards days when companies would actually pay a decent salary. Otherwise as a starting GM, unless you're in one of the top grossing theaters in the company, you're looking at between $16 and $17 an hour starting, plus your bonus. Oh, and you'll never max out your bonus, because your assistants won't be capable of properly managing inventory, or succeeding on the blind check scores, and your DM will insist that you make purchases or repairs beyond what you're budgeted for, and then hold onto invoices forever so they hit you unexpectedly and ruin your hopes for meeting your budget, so you won't get that one either.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't harbor any personal grudges with Regal or anyone that works there. I still know many people that currently work for the company, and some of the nicest people I have ever met are at their corporate office. My parting of ways with Regal was done on my own volition, because the job was simply too much grief, stress, and anxiety, and it was becoming detrimental to my mental and physical well being, and it just wasn't worth all the crap for just $16.00 an hour. I don't regret having worked there however, and would probably be willing to go back at some point in a lesser capacity of the opportunity presented itself.

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Manny Montes
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What is the average salary for a GM? I know how the bonuses work and stuff, but i'm just wondering how much of a variation there is in salary between like a small 5plex GM and a medium 13plex and a 20plex+imax. Etc...

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Michael Riley
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It all depends really. I know people that run small 7 or fewer screen theaters that do no business who are banking 60 to 70 grand a year or even more simply because they've been there since the beginning of time before everything became Regal, and Hoyts and UA actually paid their managers a decent salary and a reasonable bonus structure. On the other hand I know people who run 14 screens that do a lot of business, but are only making 30 to 35k a year because they came in long after the days of decent wages and salaries had gone.

If you want to make money as a GM for Regal, the way to do it is to be flexible and willing to relocate. Most people start off running smaller 10 or less screen locations that do about 200,000 in attendance annually. Starting pay will typically be around 16 to 17 an hour salary. If you ever want to start making a livable wage however, you will have to relocate, possibly even frequently, because that's the only way you'll ever get a significant pay raise. I believe annual raises at Regal get capped at 3%, so by staying at the same location, you're only looking at another 50 cents a year.

If you succede at running whatever rinky dink dump they start you out in, and are on good terms with your District Manager (this one is key, your DM can make or break you), it is entirely possible that over time, you can make your way to a busy location. I know some of the people running the hyper busy megaplexes in New York and Boston are banking six figures every year with their bonus, but they definitely work for it.

Honestly, the biggest frustration with being a GM for Regal has to be the pay, and the overwhelming effect it has on everything. Every location ends up with a high turnover rate for staff and managers because of this. Replacing staff isn't too bad, and can be accomplished within a couple of weeks. Hiring new managers however is a nightmare. Regal's HR department is very particular about who they will allow you to hire for management positions. They have to have had significant previous supervisory experience for one thing, and they also have to pass a particularly intrusive background check for another. If this doesn't eliminate 80% of your perspective management candidates, then the pay is what will get rid of the rest of them. I've seen entirely too many interviews with perfect candidates for management go south once you get to the part about the amount of respnsibility involved, and the fact that the company won't allow you to hire them for more than 9 or 10 dollars an hour for a full time position.

As a result of this, a lot of GM's get overworked and understaffed. As a GM, if you have more than one or two managers quit on you at once, it's a catastrophe, because now you'll have to work an extra 20 hours a week running booth and counting money to cover for the loss. Promoting from withing can often be difficult because even your best employees will end up leaving for better pay eventually, and most will just quit or get fired before they even get that far. Hiring from outside the company is an option, but even if you do find someone Regal approves you to hire, they will almost always supplement their low pay by stealing.

Being a GM is a lot of work, you need to be strong, motivated, and completely dedicated to make it work. You also need to be willing to forget about things like your personal life and your family, which is sad. It definitely works for some people, but it's certainly not for everybody.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Michael Riley
They have to have had significant previous supervisory experience for one thing, and they also have to pass a particularly intrusive background check for another.
Don't forget about the references that Regal requires for EVERY employee. They check 'em all, meaning the GM makes the assistants check 'em all. Absolute hell if you are opening a new theater with 50+ brand new staff. If, for example, you previously worked at AMC and provide them as a reference, Regal will try to call them and AMC really won't tell them anything. The catch 22 is that if you use Regal as a reference at another job, they won't tell them anything, either.

Also, what the Regal Riverpoint 14 did to Jen when she was hired there as an assistant manager was to pay her a low supervisor wage. She had AMC experience and AMC was not cooperative, so it took a very looooong time before they could get that reference check done, at least that's what they claimed. Only when it was did they bump her pay to $9.50, give her an S card and a proper manager name tag. They expected her to do all of the manager work in the meantime, however, and she was deemed part of the management staff and on the management schedule. Regal is very shady, they seem to hate their workers and almost have a criminal mentality about taking advantage of them, making them do much more work for less pay. They really shit on Jen every chance they got. But maybe the GM was pissed because he went from a really busy, popular theater to a pathetic new one that did not meet expectations.

Also, I have heard that according to Regal politics, GMs MUST apply for positions at new theaters and the like, otherwise they look uninterested and that could be bad for their career.

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Michael Riley
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Oh yeah, I've seen plenty of people be denied management for "So, you didn't give us a reference or an explanation for the three days you were between jobs in 1992. Sorry, we need good explanations for gaps in employment."

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Matt Johnston
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Man... I've worked for Regal off and on for over 10 years and have not experienced ANY of the nightmares that you guys keep referring too.

Is it frustrating at times, yes. Could the pay improve, yes (but I'd say that even if I was making 100k+ a year). Do they have a strict background check, yes (that's not necessarily a bad thing...).

Manny - All in all, if that's what you want to do, go for it! Personally, I LOVE running the booth! It's my passion. Follow your passion, whatever it may be.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Joe Redifer
Also, what the Regal Riverpoint 14 did to Jen when she was hired there as an assistant manager was to pay her a low supervisor wage. She had AMC experience and AMC was not cooperative, so it took a very looooong time before they could get that reference check done, at least that's what they claimed.
Perhaps it was based on a law only in Washington State, but I remember the managers at the AMC I worked at were only allowed to confirm that a person worked there and the dates of employment. But I'm pretty sure they just did it to avoid retaliation from lawsuits.

On the other hand, it would be different if you used one of your business contacts as a personal reference.

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