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Robert Harrison
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Good one, Richard.

We have been doing similar advertising:

IN 2D NO GLASSES NO EXTRA CHARGE

I learned this trick by poring over some theater ads from the fifties. The poorer theaters that couldn't afford 3D would actually advertise how NO SPECIAL GLASSES (were) NEEDED to see a 2D version of a 3D film.

We did actually run 3D for a time, but the lawsuits were starting to pile up from people whose eyes had popped out of their heads during the viewing of a 3D film, even though we warned them going in that the studios' advertising clearly stated that said films were in EYE POPPING 3D! [Eek!]

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Martin McCaffery
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quote: Claude S. Ayakawa
I have no problem paying extra to see a movie in 3-D if it is done right and entertaining like STEP UP 3-D and AVATAR
The real test will be if you, or anyone, will pay an up charge for "Jackass 3D"

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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No I wont but I will for TRON and the new Harry Potter film.

=Claude

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Richard C. Wolfe
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quote: Claude S. Ayakawa
Are you implying everyone will either get a headache or a ticket price shock from watching a 3-D movie, Richard?
No, not at all... but some will, and as a theatre that can't offer the 3D experience it behoves me to advertise in such a way as to entice those that don't want 3D or it's absurd pricing.

I personally don't get headaches from 3D, but I do refuse to pay the price. I don't need to see a film in 3D to enjoy it. I did go to see Avatar in 3D (but I didn't pay to see it), and it was excellent, but when I played it in 2D it was just as enjoyable.

There is absolutely no problem with you, or anyone else that wants to... to pay whatever amount they want, to enjoy a movie in whatever format they want. Not everyone likes the same things or can afford the same things... so it's good that there are different versions available.

It only makes sense that each theatre advertises their product in such a way as to attract the audience that wants to see the version they are exhibiting.

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Bobby Henderson
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I'll consider paying extra to see a movie in 3D if it was natively rendered or photographed in 3D. I absolutely will not pay the premium to see 2D to 3D faked conversions. They're a waste of time and money for everyone involved. The movie studios shouldn't be doing the conversions and the customers should know better than to pay for that crap.

Is Tron Legacy actually being shot in twin camera 3D, or is it just a phony baloney 2D/3D conversion? It's too bad they couldn't shoot the movie in Super Panavision 70 like the original 1982 film. I already know the final Harry Potter installments are mere conversions so I won't waste my money on a 3D show.

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Justin B. Martin
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Tron: Legacy is real 3D, no conversion.

If we're playing a 3D film in 2D we always -- ALWAYS -- have the box office cashiers ask the customer if they're aware the film is not in 3D just to be sure. I wish the kiosks you can purchase from could ask the same question.

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Frank Angel
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When we did a retrospective -- The Great Romantic Musicals -- and we couldn't get a 4trk mag print of a title what was originally released in stereo (mags were the first to be sent off to the buzz-saw), we would ALWAYS post a notice at the BO stating that the film is not in stereo. Same thing with those films where the studio could only give us the shorter, hacked-up edited version like FIDDLER ON THE ROOF.

You save yourself an awful lot of grief if you are up-front with your patrons, plus it's just truth in advertizing -- some would even call it ethics. LIEMAX learned that lesson the hard way.

Robert -- even 20th Century Fox took your approach when they released THE ROBE -- the first film released in CinemaScope. On the 1-sheets, it had the logo "in CinemaScope" in a font as big as the film title (a practice at the time that lasted for awhile)but under CinemaScope, it also said, [i]The Miracle You See Without Glasses[i].

I remember this like it was yesterday because I was a kid who had seen three or four 3D movies only a few months before and I thought 3D was the most incredible thing I had ever seen on a movie screen. Then sitting watching the curtains open wider and wider as THE ROBE began, yes, I was impressed with the extra width but that lasted all of 30 seconds until disappointment and the anger of being taken set in.

I was shocked to find out that CinemaScope WASN'T 3D without glasses at all, which is what I thought the poster was saying. Clever marketing people at Fox....the bastards.

I kept whispering to my mother, "But mom, it's NOT IN 3D" and "This is a gip" (the 50s equivilant of "this sucks). The poor woman finally had to tell me to shut up and watch the movie or she was going to smack me right there in the theatre. I shut up, but I was NOT a happy pup!

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Robert Harrison
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Frank Angel
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Cool, Robert - thanks for the ad.

See, even there they've got "with out glasses," "reaches out to encompass you" and the word "dimentional" in the same ad. They knew what they were doing.

I was just a kid, and I was duped! [Frown]

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Robert Harrison
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Yes, it is curious that Fox chose that angle to promote CinemaScope. As if a wider screen and stereophonic sound wasn't enough. I guess "IT'S THE POOR MAN'S CINERAMA" didn't go over too well in the marketing meeting. [Smile]

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Geena Phillips
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quote: Martin McCaffery

The real test will be if you, or anyone, will pay an up charge for "Jackass 3D"


The previous digital 3D I've seen, I saw for free. For Jackass 3D, I will gladly pay the extra.

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Frank Angel
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Ah youth!

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Geena Phillips
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I'm 42. So there. Nyah. [Smile]

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Frank Angel
See, even there they've got "with out glasses," "reaches out to encompass you" and the word "dimentional" in the same ad. They knew what they were doing.
It must have been common to try to equate Cinemascope as "having a 3-D effect without special glasses," because a newspaper article from 1953 about my theatre's upgrade to 'scope had a similar comment:

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The big project, however, will be the complete remodeling of the front or stage end of the theatre, in preparation for the installation of a wide panoramic screen, which will be 30 feet wide and 16 feet high - just about twice the width of the present theatre screen, which is 14 x 16 feet. This screen, when installed, will accommodate regular motion pictures, as now projected, and also the new Cinemascope method of projection, wherein the illusion of three dimensions, height, width and depth will be realistically placed before the audience without the use of colored glasses or anything other than normal vision. It is the last word in the new three dimension method of presenting motion pictures - the same method as was employed at the initial and phenomenal showing of "The Robe," which has been widely acclaimed the world over. Two and one half times as much subject matter is projected on the new wide screens as is seen on the ordinary movie screen. Incidentally "The Robe" will be presented by the Roxy late next spring.
There is a legal term for this -- it's called puffery and it's part of showmanship, has been for over 100 years.

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Ky Boyd
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I keep telling people we should start a 1-D revolution - for a $3 upcharge we'll sell you a re-usable eye patch. Gives new meaning to the term pirate movies! [Big Grin]

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