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Topic: Keeping ticket stubs
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Frank Angel
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Posts: 5305
From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 03-08-2011 08:59 PM
Sure, it might sound silly to some, but it's dead serious to the studio issuing the license, and they are not the ones to whom you want to give the idea that you don't take their requirements seriously. Not smart to get on the wrong side of thems who supply you your livelyhood. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
And sure, you may go for years, even decades without distrib henchmen decending on your theatre wanting to inspect the box office and the booth and all your records for the current engagement of theirs on demand as well as all the films of theirs that you might have run in the past as well. They legally are you partners and have the right to do this, as fasciest as it might sound on first blush. But you can see by the master contract below it's all there, signed sealed and delivered by both parties. So just because their policies my not make any sense to us, they are the conditions upon which we get to book their films and underwhich the exhibitor agrees to abide by if it wants to play WB titles. And trust me, if these Master Contracts are not word-for-word across the board from one studio to then next, they are policy-for-policy almost identical -- each says nearly identically the same thing with regard to retention of records including stubs and rights to enter locked doors.
This is from the WB Master Contract:
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Scott Norwood
Film God
Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 03-10-2011 12:21 PM
I still don't see how saving the ticket stubs would prove anything to the film distributor (versus, say, counting the number of patrons in an auditorium and comparing that number with the number of reported admissions). Is it just supposed to be a way to verify that the start number and end number listed on the boxoffice report are approximately correct? Or is it a way to ensure that the tickets are actually tickets and not passes? Or something else entirely? As Brad said, there would be plenty of other clues about ticket scams; thus, either saving the ticket stubs is totally unnecessary or I am missing something important.
And why would it matter if the tickets are generated by a computer or if they have pre-printed serial numbers? Aren't all tickets sequentially numbered regardless of source? (My day job is in the IT field, but I have never dealt with computerized ticket systems in theatres.)
Also, what does a boxoffice report look like for a multiplex? The ones that I have seen for single-screens (one page per film title per day) have a column for each ticket category (adult, child, senior, free pass) and price and rows for start number and end numbers. There is space below for listing refunds.
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Chad Souder
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Posts: 962
From: Waterloo, IA, USA
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 03-10-2011 09:46 PM
Mike - To answer your original question simply, no, you do not need to keep ticket stubs. There is no requirement by law or film contract to do so. You are correct in your review of the document Frank posted. Frank, on the other hand, needs to read it over a couple more times.
quote: Nathan Powers
Employee theft can get pretty costly if it goes to court, and if the employee wins (which can happen), could be a mess of expenses and bad publicity.Probably best to just terminate the guy and move on.
I think you're thinking of a civil suit, which is almost unheard of against a small-time crime like an employee double-selling tickets. There is no charge to call the police and press charges, providing you have collected sufficient evidence. The rest of the prosecution is solely up to the county or state, which is also at no charge. With a guilty plea, restitution is usually ordered, which is also handled through the state, so there would be no need to file a civil suit unless you could make a case for some sort of additional compensatory or punative damages. And what bad publicity would there be?
Chris - I don't know why they wouldn't have had him arrested either. It happens too often. The mall next to me had a video game store employee steal thousands over several months from their games. When caught, the owner said she was going to quit in a week anyway, so not only did he not press charges, he allowed her to finish out her schedule. It absolutely blew my mind. I have had the misfortune of having a few employees walked out in handcuffs over the years. Having that happen in front of other employees is as good a deterrent as you will ever find.
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