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Mark Hajducki
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quote: Frank Angel
EXCEPT.....the thing that we never could figure out and honestly, we never really pressed it much, was what happened when someone didn't use all their vouchers or used none of them? We had their $25 and the studio got no percentage. To this day I think the studios probably would find something wrong with that, but we couldn't see what it was as the voucher was not a ticket and it wasn't for any particular movie from any particular studio.
I don't think the studios could complain about this. The vouchers were effectively $5 gift vouchers (that could only be spent on tickets), the studios would only get their percentage when the voucher was converted to a ticket. The issuer would be able to keep the value of unused expired vouchers.

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Mike Blakesley
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Right, plus there'd be no way to know which studio would get the "cut."

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Scott Jentsch
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I think this is a novel approach, and I hope that they succeed. However, they just barely reached their goal of 3,000, and that was with the help of lots of publicity. In so many cases of local community theaters that need to be "saved" the community rallies in support, but then the interest wanes as everyone gets back to their regular lives and their habits slide into what caused the theater to decline and close in the first place.

As with any subscription model, they will now have to worry about "new subs" and "churn" on a daily basis. How will they keep those 3,000+ people paying their $20 every month, and how will they attract new people to replace those that do not renew their subscriptions (combating churn) and find new people to grow the business on an ongoing basis?

My guess is that they'll backpedal on the daily passes requirement, because tourists will not pay $16 per day (when most people don't see more than one movie per day) for the non-member rate. They compare themselves to the ticket prices in San Francisco (which they say are $16), but if they are not providing an experience equivalent to those SF theaters, they aren't being realistic.

I like the idea of the membership model, because it creates a community within the community, and many people like being part of a group and seeing familiar people. One would hope that these members are also not being taken advantage of at the concession stand, as is the standard at traditional theaters. Members should expect that beverages should be similar to vending machine prices ($1.00-$1.50 for 12 oz soda, or whatever is typical for the area) and that popcorn and other items are not overpriced either.

These three people have proven that they can rally support behind the idea of saving a community theater with a novel approach that gained them some initial publicity; all very exciting things to do. Time will tell if they know how to run a movie theater on an ongoing basis and handle the non-exciting parts of running a business day after day.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Scott Jentsch
As with any subscription model, they will now have to worry about "new subs" and "churn" on a daily basis. How will they keep those 3,000+ people paying their $20 every month, and how will they attract new people to replace those that do not renew their subscriptions (combating churn) and find new people to grow the business on an ongoing basis?
Once they get up and running maybe the could sell a contract plan, where you sign up for five years at a nice discount.

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Mike Blakesley
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Frank Angel
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I am afraid I think Scott is right -- this kind of thing isn't self sustaining. There is a reason a theatre falls on hard time, much of which isn't necessarily anything they have control of. There's demographic changes, population shifts in age, VIDEO and the public's viewing habits in general. As Scott says, there maybe an initial surge of enthusiasm -- mostly there is a built-in nostalgia quotient where people tend to want things to stay the same, especially if they have fond memories of times they've gone to that theatre. But now they mostly watch their movies on cable or Netflix or whatever. And yes, they don't like the idea of loosing the familiar, but that doesn't mean they will change their viewing habits and watch movies differently.

Yes, the membership thing is a good idea, but will it be enough to keep the place running as a viable business model? I hope so, but I have to admit, as someone who has seen what demographic shift can do to decimate a core audience -- where were used to get full houses of 60-80 yr olds, over ten years they a quarter of them have moved to Florida and another quarter have died, and half of what's left are too infirmed to come out to the theater -- I wish I weren't but yes, I am pessimistic that this can work for them.

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Dennis Benjamin
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I have written several business plans for movie theatres over the 24 years I have been in the business. While this subscription plan sounds like a good idea, it isn't very practical.

I know a decade or so ago, the average American went to the movies 4 or 5 times A YEAR. While this younger generation might go a little more often and obviously if an individual signs up for the "subscription plan" - they would go more often, I don't think it's economically practical.

I've been following an upstart over at Moviepass.com

I think thier approach is a little better and a little broader (not location specific).

I wish these guys luck and will follow thier progress.

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Scott Jentsch
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I think they'll have to stay very in touch with their members and very present in the minds of non-members by being active in the community and visible in local media, signage, etc.

It'll have to be a club atmosphere with the members, so that they feel special and would miss it should they not renew. Their selections of movies will have to be spot-on with their members, too, so that's going to be a tricky thing to do every week of the year. Constant communication will allow members who have gone to the shows relive the experience and look back on it with good feelings, as well as give those that did not attend a feeling like they missed an opportunity for a good time.

I wonder if a majority of their subscriptions are recurring monthly or yearly? When those subscriptions come up for renewal, that's when they'll start finding out if they have what it takes to be successful.

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Mike Blakesley
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They should use an "auto-renew" system, if they haven't done that already. Lots of people will just get in the habit of paying it and will just let it keep renewing. That happens to lots of people with XM/Sirius radios....I've talked to guys who say "I haven't listened to that thing in 6 months, guess I should cancel it" and then they forget again.

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