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Edward Havens
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Monsters University
2D at 11:30 2:00 and 7:00
3D at 4:30 and 9:30

Man of Steel
2D at 12:30 and 7:00
3D at 3:45 and 10:15

I would always do my prime for any 2D/3D movie that's splitting in 2D, because my 2D shows do 3-4x the business of my 3D shows. But I know theatres that do 60/40 in favor of 3D. So it really all depends on what your guests want.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Elise Brandt
Chris, that is a good point, assuming there are actual walk-ins in the theater. We almost never have them, our audience as a rule comes in when the version they want to see is playing.
Yeah, a theater I worked at in the past was large enough that they regularly had people just dropping by for "the next showing of X" rather than looking up the actual showtimes.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Chris Slycord
Oblivion was not 3D.
Hmm, you're right. Wonder what movie I was thinking of.

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Jesse Skeen
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quote: Justin Hamaker
In my opinion, the real issue with 3D is it's becoming too common, and most movies are not enhanced by the 3D effect.
That's a complaint I've heard, and a good reason why they should just stop with the surcharge. Not every movie made with a multi-channel sound mix takes full advantage of it, and that's fine since it's the filmmakers' decision on how to use it and it doesn't affect the price. If you do a movie in 3D but use it in a very restrained manner, those who pay extra for the 3D are going to feel ripped off and not want to see another 3D movie. If they aren't paying extra for it, then they're more likely to just say "Well, the 3D in that movie sucked, but maybe the next one we see will be better." They shouldn't have to think "Is this movie worth seeing in 3D?" any more than they should have to think about whether it's worth seeing at all. As far as doing 2D showing for those who "don't like" 3D, would theaters also do showings with mono sound for people who don't like overpowering sound, or showings in black and white?

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Interesting article about the 2D\3D split

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/07/10/despicable-me-2-3d-low/

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Blockbuster sequel Despicable Me 2 earned $143 million over the extended Fourth of July weekend — and although its debut marked a high point at the summer box office, it also marked a low point for 3-D ticket sales.

According to Universal, only 27 percent of Despicable Me 2‘s opening-weekend gross came from 3-D tickets, the lowest 3-D share in modern box office history. Notably, the record low comes just two weeks after Monsters University notched a 31 percent 3-D share on its opening weekend, which at the time was the worst 3-D performance ever. Poor 3-D ticket sales aren’t just plaguing recent animated films, either. Brad Pitt’s live-action zombie thriller World War Z only earned 34 percent of its debut total from 3-D tickets, and The Great Gatsby fared even worse. Despite the fact that Baz Luhrmann’s use of 3-D was a primary selling point for Gatsby, 3-D ticket sales only accounted for 33 percent of its opening weekend.

These percentages mark a decisive downturn in 3-D’s popularity with American moviegoers, who have generally embraced the enhanced format over the last five years.

In 2009 and 2010, during the heyday of 3-D, films like Avatar (71 percent share), Alice in Wonderland (70 percent), and Tron Legacy (82 percent) added tens of millions of dollars to their opening-weekend grosses with 3-D ticket sales. Hollywood quickly doubled down on the format — sending the number of 3-D wide releases skyrocketing from 15 in 2009 to 36 in 2012. By 2012, though, it already appeared that 3-D was losing some of its luster, as the industry observed lower shares for films like Transformers: Dark of the Moon (60 percent), Thor (60 percent), and The Avengers (52 percent). These days, even highly anticipated box office titans like Iron Man 3 (45 percent), Star Trek Into Darkness (45 percent), and World War Z have trouble cracking the 50 percent threshold.

Family films have been hit particularly hard lately. Of course, it should be noted that they’ve never been quite as popular as live-action films in 3-D — presumably because it costs so much to purchase 3-D tickets for an entire family — but animated titles like Shrek Forever After (60 percent), Toy Story 3 (60 percent), and The Lorax (52 percent) did prove that moms and dads were willing to shell out big bucks on the format. Not so much over the past year, though. Recent films like Brave (34 percent), The Croods (38 percent) and, obviously, Despicable Me 2 haven’t connected with 3-D ticket-buyers despite the fact that they succeeded at the box office.

Many think the 3-D gimmick has lost — or is losing — its novelty due to over-saturation and shoddy execution, and Avatar director James Cameron agrees. “I do not think Hollywood is using the 3-D properly,” Cameron remarked at the TagDF conference in Mexico City last week. “Man of Steel, Iron Man 3 and all those movies should not necessarily be in 3-D,” he continued. “If you spend $150 million on visual effects, the film is already going to be spectacular, perfect.”


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Mike Blakesley
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Of course if James Cameron had made Man of Steel or Iron Man 3, he would have equally compelling reasons why the movies SHOULD be in 3-D. I do agree though, both of those movies would have been fine without 3-D, but they would have grossed millions of dollars less. And you know how Hollywood is about money.

quote: Jesse Skeen
As far as doing 2D showing for those who "don't like" 3D, would theaters also do showings with mono sound for people who don't like overpowering sound, or showings in black and white?
There is a difference. I've never in all my career had somebody turn around and walk out because a movie was in color, or because we have modern (loud) cinema sound. But I HAVE had people walk away because a movie is in 3-D. Just trying to serve as many patrons as possible here.

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According to Universal, only 27 percent of Despicable Me 2‘s opening-weekend gross came from 3-D tickets, the lowest 3-D share in modern box office history.
Don't want a "low 3D share"? Then don't allow 2D showings, and don't charge extra for 3D! That's another thing that annoys me about separate 2D showings, stuff like this will put them in competition with each other- same as when there were separate "full screen" DVD releases and there'd be comparisons of which one sold more.

I HAVE seen people leave a movie because the volume was too loud and I refused to turn it down because I didn't want to ruin it for everyone else who was enjoying it. If a movie is meant to be in 3D, that's how it should be shown. Post-conversions are rather silly and a waste of time however- I've seen a few that looked pretty good, but overall they should just shoot in proper 3D or not do it at all.

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Mike Blakesley
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All the media nonsense about the "3-D share" shouldn't even be news anyway.

They are spinning it wrong, is all. Instead of mourning that interest in 3-D is waning, they should say that "27% of people chose the upgraded 3-D experience."

Maybe the lower 3-D share is due to gas prices, or taxes going up, or fears about the cost of Obamacare, or unemployment, or a dozen other reasons, along with whatever percentage of people just don't like 3-D. The fact remains that a third of people (give or take) on any given movie will choose voluntarily to pay the extra money to see it in 3-D. That should be cause for celebration, not a bunch of whining by industry "experts" who have never seen the backside of a ticket window.

If it gets down to, say 7% or so, THEN there is a problem and they might as well just stop making 3-D movies.

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Considering the tickets cost more, it's actually a quarter of people at best choosing 3D for most of this summer's releases

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Cameron remarked at the TagDF conference in Mexico City last week. “Man of Steel, Iron Man 3 and all those movies should not necessarily be in 3-D,” he continued. “If you spend $150 million on visual effects, the film is already going to be spectacular, perfect.”
Sadly, there are people who will believe this.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Philip Jones
Considering the tickets cost more, it's actually a quarter of people at best choosing 3D for most of this summer's releases
There's nothing wrong with that number. Compare it to any other product category you want to, from cars to restaurants to clothing....what percentage of people are going to choose the most expensive option? Probably less than that.

The big flaw in the 3-D thing was studios (and theater owners) thinking that 100% of people would want to watch movies in 3-D.

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Justin Hamaker
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Over the past weekend, I saw one of the most dramatic examples of the public rejecting 3D. We ran The Wolverine on a 4 show schedule with 2 2D and 2 3D. The 3D shows were the 1:00 and 6:50 (generally the "prime" show times). Without correcting for the difference in prices, the 2D shows accounted for about 65% of the gross - but 2D was about 75% for Friday & Saturday. Sunday's numbers were probably more balanced because of slower 9:00 shows.

In the past when we've had a basically equal number of 2D/3D, the grosses have tended to be about equal for the formats. 2D will usually come out ahead, but not by much. Furthermore, the preference for 2D is usually more noticeable with family movies than with fan boy type movies.

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Jason Whyte
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More and more these days, I am finding there is an even split between 2D and 3D shows and the 2D seems to be having the bigger crowds no matter what the movie. It too depends if the studio wants to allow 2D shows (from what I remember, the JURASSIC PARK re-release was entirely 3D...no 2D shows were permitted, nor do I think a 2D file was even on the drives).

A bigger problem now is many theaters that are playing 2D and 3D splits on the same screen here (all Real D installs) ARE NOT MOVING THE 3D LENS OUT OF THE WAY FOR THE 2D SHOW. This happens at nearly every show I go to here, and I have to get someone at the theater to fix it.

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