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Martin McCaffery
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Yup, eyes glazed over there.
So basically WB is giving them the film at 35% with no guarantee. There has got to be some sort of skeevy contract provision somewhere that makes this more profitable for WB, like how up front points or other expenses are represented to the filmmakers/production company.

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Mark Lensenmayer
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Some of the cost of this movie was from a Kickstarter project with over $5,000,000. Deducting the rewards from that, probably $4 million in up front money.

There are many crowd funded movies out there. Penn Jillette has raised over $1,000,000 for a low-budget horror film.

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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Now Veronica Mars Backers Want Refunds, and They’re Getting Them

Last Friday, many backers of the Kickstarter campaign to fund the new Veronica Mars movie made an unexpected, and unwelcome, discovery. In order to access the digital version of the movie promised as a reward, they learned, they’d have to sign up for an account at Flixster—and even then, they’d only be able to stream the movie, not download it.

On the one hand, this wasn’t new information—the original Kickstarter campaign FAQs clearly identified Flixster as the source of the digital version—but it was enough to enrage many who hadn’t realized this was going to be the case, with the thwarted fans taking to social media to complain about their problems trying to watch the movie.

In response, Veronica Mars creator Rob Thomas updated the campaign page on Friday, writing, “If you paid for a copy of the movie a year ago, we don’t want you to have less choice and freedom than people who decide to buy it today” and adding that all those behind the production “definitely don’t want you to end up paying twice just to see the movie on your preferred service.”

To that end, Warner Bros is reportedly offering a $10 refund to those who backed the campaign but are unhappy with the digital option, with that amount increasing if backers provide proof of purchase of an alternate version of the movie.

In statement released to the L.A. Times about the refund, a Warner Bros. representative described the move as part of the studio’s diligent work “to ensure that all the Veronica Mars backers have a great experience.”

It’s a savvy PR move, and one that blunts the few criticisms the movie has met. With a 96 percent approval from its audience on Rotten Tomatoes and an almost $2 million take at the box office this weekend despite playing in only 291 theaters, it’s tough to argue that the movie wasn’t a substantial success, refund or no refund. (For context, it made roughly $6,832 for each theater it played in, higher than the $5,728-per-theater average for the much-hyped Need for Speed)

So, when do we get to hear about the almost-inevitable sequel…?

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
they’d only be able to stream the movie, not download it.
This is the holy grail for all the media companies. They would like to put everybody on the same basic model as the movie theaters, namely if you want to play a movie/song/TV show/videogame, you pay for it each time you play it -- OR you subscribe to their monthly "service" and pay every month whether you use anything or not. They would like to stick a hose into everybody's bank account and be able to just suck money out. That's the end goal. The only thing left then will be to find a way to figure out how many eyeballs are watching a movie and charge more if you have company over to watch it.

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Frank Cox
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That is a solved problem
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A new Microsoft patent will allow the company to remotely surveil, and effectively count American citizens as they order online or cable pay-per-view from the comfort of their own homes.

From the patent:

A content presentation system and method allowing content providers to regulate the presentation of content on a per-user-view basis ... Consumers are presented with a content selection and a choice of licenses allowing consumption of the content. The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken.

The patent, submitted on April 26, 2011, and passed on Nov. 1, 2012, essentially allows the company to remotely turn on any cameras, be they mobile or from something like the XBox Kinect, and count the number of 'consumers' watching licensed content.

What Microsoft dubs 'complex algorithms' will not only count how many people are consuming that Mixed Martial Arts Championships, but also for how long they consumed the content, paving the way for charging users for half or even quarter uses of content.

From the patent:

In the case of the mobile display device, the display 105 is generally designed for use by one person but it is possible that more than one person may be able to view content on the display 105. As such the consumer detector uses data from the camera or capture device 102 to determine the number of consumers. In one example, camera 102 is an RGB imaging camera and the consumer detector analyzes one or successive images from the camera to ensure that the licensed number of users per view is enforced.

"Enforced" means the patent also gives licensers using Microsoft's surveillance 'product' the right to 'shut off' content if an unauthorized amount of users start to watch.

So you may want to tell the folks you invite over for the next fight to shut off their cell phones and remove the batteries prior to beginning the show.


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Michael Putlack
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Frank, this sounds easy to circumvent with a piece of masking tape!

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Brad Miller
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The patent, submitted on April 26, 2011, and passed on Nov. 1, 2012, essentially allows the company to remotely turn on any cameras, be they mobile or from something like the XBox Kinect, and count the number of 'consumers' watching licensed content.
That will never fly, as Joe likes to watch his movies in the nude. [Eek!]

Seriously though, it would be a blatant invasion of privacy.

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Frank Cox
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I imagine that the powers-that-be could just add it to their terms of service and be in the clear, legally.

The masking tape bypass can easily be dealt with by disabling playback until the camera can see what's going on. More elaborate hacks like a panoramic photograph (or a test pattern as shown in in episode 1 of It Takes a Thief) might be possible, though obviously more difficult to implement and get right.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Brad Miller
That will never fly, as Joe likes to watch his movies in the nude.
If this actually passes I can bet people will be watching doing all sorts of crazy shit just to spite the companies. I'd like to see a room painted in camouflage including the furniture. Everyone is watching the movie wearing camouflage clothes and camouflage face paint (and heck, even camouflage contact lenses). How many people will the company charge you for now?

Studios, etc just cannot stand the thought of someone buying or renting a movie and watching it with their friends. They all need to pay, too!

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Bobby Henderson
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For the kinds of repetitive shit being released by movie studios they ought to be paying the viewers to watch it.

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Frank Angel
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You got that right!

Seems this system could easily be thwarted with a small right-angle mirror placed over the lens that redirected it to seeing that doll sitting in a chair at a right angel to the TV, while I invite the whole effin neighborhood over to "steal" watch the movie. Oh, and this assumes there is a camera on your tv? What about video projectors like they use in REAL home theatres? How do they monitor THOSE upstarts?

Next thing you know, Micro(it's small)soft(and it's soft) will patent a device that can detect when someone is THINKING about the movie after he's seen it, then charging for that too, this way they get brain double-dipping.

I just can't imagine the public will stand for the idea that a camera gets turned on to watch them while they watch a movie. Either that or we actually have turn in to zombie sheeple.

And btw, here in NYC at least, Optimum cable runs plenty of movies that they claim are running the same time as they run in the theatres. They never are picture from big studios, but that has been going on for quite awhile. It doesn't seem to even raise an eyebrow.

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Edward Havens
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I'm starting to wonder why there are so many people on this forum who are still involved in an industry they have so much contempt for...

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Mike Blakesley
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If you look again you'll see most of the contempt here is for home video and the studios' stupid handling of it.

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