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Steve Matz
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From: Billings, Montana, USA
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posted 06-11-2014 12:19 PM

Mitchell's Post is another example of the Negative side of the WWW/Internet, These Looney-Tune Characters can go to a search engine and type in something like "Explosives made from Home Ingredients" I don't know if they've finally been taken down from the Net but 2 Books that were widely known and even in Public Libraries for years(THE POOR MAN'S JAMES BOND & THE ANARCHIST'S COOK BOOK) have been around for a couple decades.

They basically show someone how to make explosives from Products that you can Buy at Stores like Walmart,K-Mart,Target,etc.,Along with Plumbing Supply Stores also. I'm all for freedom of the Press but these Books have no practical Value except to entice someone to build an explosive or destructive device that could end up killing or severly injuring people.

These Young teenagers may think making Bottle Bombs to be a Prank but their unknowing Knowledge of Explosives and the Dangers they can put on the Public shows that they are the last people that should have Access to anything related to making something that explodes.

I'm hoping that they are finally cracking down on Business's(online) that sold Chemicals for making Flash Powder to Amateur Fireworks Makers. It was so easy years ago to be able to buy the 2 chemicals that are used in making Aerial Salutes used in Professional Fireworks Shows. The Power these Deflagrating type Explosives can produce is close to some of your high explosives that require detonators.

They need to get the message out there that even if you think throwing a Bottle Bomb in a theater is just a Prank;maybe a mandatory 50 year Federal Prison Sentence would change your mind about pranks. As Far as the Mentally Deranged individuals out there I don't know what can be done with them. Many of them can fool even Shrinks as to their Mental Competence...

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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posted 06-11-2014 03:29 PM

I have been watching this thread and I am kind of on the fence in regards to gun control. I think I am leaning towards gun access as to what the issue is. People will always kill people but it is far easier to kill someone if you have easy access to a firearm than if you do not.

Where I live it is very difficult to legally buy, possess, transport and store firearms. Concealed carry is all but pretty much non existent and hand guns are generally not legal or very limited. An assault rifle purchase? I don't think that is even possible in Canada.

Canada does get it fare share of firearm related crimes but I think the United States has something like 60 times the firearm related crimes compared to Canada. (factoring out the difference in population)

What concerns me more than anything are those who falsely believe that they are trained or have the capacity to take on an armed gunman because they are carrying themselves. This is where things can get very messy and ugly for those who have watched to many movies.

Firearms do not need to be banned in the United States, but there has to be some sort of restriction to the access of firearms. It really is far to easy to access a firearm in the United States and that is pretty disturbing.

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Steve Matz
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posted 06-11-2014 08:52 PM

quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
What concerns me more than anything are those who falsely believe that they are trained or have the capacity to take on an armed gunman because they are carrying themselves. This is where things can get very messy and ugly for those who have watched to many movies.

Perfectly Good Point Terry;The good Samaritan who got involved with the Husband and Wife who killed 2 Las Vegas Police Officers recently is Dead Now along with the Couple.People that get Carry Permits too many times get this false sense of Security that now they will be able to handle a situation that they aren't remotely trained for.This Man had good intentions because 2 Police Officers were basically Ambushed and executed but like I said earlier when Adrenaline is Flowing in situations like this;Questionable Judgement comes about also.

Montana is probably one of the Few States where Obtaining a Conceal/Carry Permit is fairly easy to obtain.You basically answer a few questions,one of which asks you why you need a
carry permit. The most Common Answer is "Its my Constitutional Right" and if the person has no Felony Convictions and looks reasonably Mentally Competent he pays his 75 Dollars(may be higher now) and he has the permit. Fortunately so far there hasn't been any incidents where a Permit Holder has Fatally Shot someone but just because your carrying a Firearm whether it be a 9mm or 44mag.doesn't mean your going to prevail in a deadly force situation. In fact your more likely to be injured or fatally wounded yourself...

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 06-11-2014 10:06 PM

quote: Steve Matz
I've seen instances where even the most Knowledgable and Firearms Savey Individuals,and this includes trained law enforcement Officers have everything they learned,been taught,and practiced basically go out the window when they were confronted with something like a home invasion or dealing with a deadly force confrontation.

Such an experience will scare the living shit out of most people. Nothing can really prepare you 100% for it. That's why it's important to take classes, practice at the gun range and hope as much of it becomes second nature as possible. Military personnel deployed to a theater of combat have it worse. They know chances are good they'll be a bad guy's shooting target at some point. Situational awareness is the key. Home owners can take other steps to improve their odds: like installing a burglar alarm system and maybe getting a big dog. The end goal in all of this is avoiding the life threatening situation in the first place.

Some gun owners take things too far. They'll use a life threatening gunfight as an opportunity to commit murder. Nothing in any of the "stand your ground" or "make my day" laws gives anyone the explicit right to kill. Nothing. You only have the right to stop a threat. Killing should only be incidental.

Here in Oklahoma a pharmacy store owner went to prison for 1st degree murder. Two men entered his store and one of them pulled a gun intending to rob the place. The store owner pulled his gun and a firefight ensued. The store owner shot the unarmed man. The armed bad guy fled with the store owner hot on his tail, but the armed robber got away. The pharmacist came back into the store and saw the man he shot lying on the floor. So he went back to his office, reloaded his pistol, returned and shot the incapacitated man a few more times to finish him off. This was all caught on surveillance video. It was a controversial case. Lots of people here in Oklahoma wanted the store owner to walk. But if I had been sitting on that jury, I damned sure would have found him guilty of first degree, cold blooded murder.

Recently a couple of home owners have been put on trial for murder under similar circumstances. If you incapacitate an intruder, you don't have the right to reload and finish him. Unfortunately a bunch of macho twerps out there think they have the legal right to do so. Idiots.

quote: Steve Matz
I've talked with Police Officers who were in Deadly Force Situations who swore they only fired their weapon 2 or 3 times when in fact they emptied the Clip.

Police officers are often trained to fire repeatedly, even emptying an entire magazine of ammo, when seriously threatened. People rarely ever drop like they do in Hollywood movies when hit by one or two rounds of handgun fire. A bad guy, even an unarmed bad guy, might still have a lot of fight left in him until he slowly loses enough blood.

If a home owner wants a personal defense weapon he'll have to fire only once or twice, he'll need a shotgun loaded with some large ball ammo, like double-ought buck. 1 cartridge of .00 shotgun ammo in .12 or even .20 gauge is worth a magazine of handgun ammo. It'll blast a big freaking hole in something.

Unfortunately, a shotgun barrel is long and easy for a bad guy to grab if you let him get anywhere close to you. That's the handgun's advantage. The bad guy practically has to be on you to fight for your weapon.

quote: Steve Matz
The good Samaritan who got involved with the Husband and Wife who killed 2 Las Vegas Police Officers recently is Dead Now along with the Couple.People that get Carry Permits too many times get this false sense of Security that now they will be able to handle a situation that they aren't remotely trained for.

Again, it's about situational awareness. Police and military are trained to keep their head on a swivel and watch their corners. They're also trained to watch everybody, not just who they might think is a bad guy. If you introduce a gun into a life threatening situation you radically increase the danger to yourself, even if you're well trained. You gotta be ready for anything.

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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posted 06-12-2014 03:37 PM

quote: Steve Matz
Perfectly Good Point Terry;The good Samaritan who got involved with the Husband and Wife who killed 2 Las Vegas Police Officers recently is Dead Now along with the Couple.People that get Carry Permits too many times get this false sense of Security that now they will be able to handle a situation that they aren't remotely trained for.

And that's just it. The guy who was concealed carrying would probably be alive if he was not carrying. The cops had no chance, but the civilian did. And from what I understand, the police were the ones who killed the male suspect as it was not the wife.

quote: Steve Matz
The most Common Answer is "Its my Constitutional Right" and if the person has no Felony Convictions and looks reasonably Mentally Competent he pays his 75 Dollars(may be higher now) and he has the permit.

So how quick can one get a firearm? It is same day?

quote: Steve Matz
In fact your more likely to be injured or fatally wounded yourself..

I hear that accidents with firearms are pretty prevalent in the U.S.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 06-12-2014 06:53 PM

There are a lot of gun accidents but not so many where I would say they are "prevalent."

I've lived in gun-happy Montana my whole life. In this town I'd guess about 75% of the households have firearms in them. Even so, I've never met or known anyone who has been injured in a gun accident.

Yes, come and visit the U.S., folks.....the chances you will get shot (or even shot AT) are roughly in the same neighborhood as your chances of getting struck by lightning, probably less.

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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posted 06-12-2014 07:20 PM

quote: Mike Blakesley
Yes, come and visit the U.S., folks.....the chances you will get shot (or even shot AT) are roughly in the same neighborhood as your chances of getting struck by lightning, probably less.

Actually, the chances of being KILLED by a gun in the U.S is 3.5 per 100,000....hit by lightning is 1 in 700,000 and getting killed by a lightning strike is far more rarer than a gunshot.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 06-12-2014 09:54 PM

Given what the suicide rate is around the developed world, you have a much greater chance of killing yourself, either deliberately or accidentally, than getting murdered.

Those lightning statistics are actually crude and misleading. During thunderstorms the vast majority of people are already indoors. That skews the people stuck by lightning statistic to an extreme. Most Americans work indoors and spend too much of their leisure time indoors too. Decades ago when Americans spent a lot more time outdoors working and playing lightning strike death rates were quite a bit higher (400 or so deaths per year instead of the couple dozen now). A person can radically increase his risk of being struck by lightning by doing things like being out in the middle of a wide open field (like a golf course fairway) or boating in the middle of a lake during a thunderstorm. Those 1 in 700,000 odds are going to be a whole lot different.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 06-13-2014 03:03 PM

OK, so I stand corrected, sort of, I guess.

I just get tired of the scare-you-to-death media and misinformed people on the Internet trying to make the whole world think the U.S. isn't a safe place to visit and you'll probably get shot (or at least see some good gun action) if you visit here. It's not true.

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Marcel Birgelen
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posted 06-13-2014 04:36 PM

quote: Mike Blakesley
I just get tired of the scare-you-to-death media and misinformed people on the Internet trying to make the whole world think the U.S. isn't a safe place to visit and you'll probably get shot (or at least see some good gun action) if you visit here. It's not true.

Bummer... When I visit the U.S. I want to see gunfights and cops racing after criminals while firing out of broken windows, damn it! Just like in the movies. [Wink]

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 06-13-2014 06:57 PM

Go to Cody, Wyoming. It's a tourist town with an "old west" background (founded by and named after Buffalo Bill Cody). They have a good ol'fashioned western gunfight downtown every evening in the summer.

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