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Leo Enticknap
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The way a film is marketed can also help or hinder.

When Wilde came out in the late '90s, the trailers and posters gave the impression that it was a typical British Victorian/Edwardian costume drama, of the sort that were being cranked out by the vaultload for both cinema and TV at the time, because they were very popular with the middle class, upper middle age crowd that had higher spending power and thus the movie theaters were trying to attract.

On the first Friday we opened it, several older customers came out and complained when the first buggery scene hit the screen. I was covering someone's break in the box office at the time, and was treated to an enraged rant by a Home Counties 70-something, the gist of which was he would personally see to it that I'd end up in the same place as the film's protagonist (i.e. in jail, on a treadmill) for daring to show such obscene filth.

This was a bit silly: surely anyone choosing of their own free will to go and see a biographical movie about Oscar Wilde must have some idea of what is likely to be in it?! But it has has to be noted that the advertising and publicity gave absolutely no clue, except for the 18-certificate logo buried in a corner of the poster. All the trailers were U (British equivalent of G), and consisted essentially of witty Oscar Wilde one-liners. I suppose, therefore, that heightened the risk that some customers who, shall we say, had led somewhat of a sheltered lifestyle were likely to be blindsided by it.

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Dave Bird
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At our drive-in, we don't book anything that we think will piss off half our crowd (such as political documentaries), but then those don't really fall in to the "fun popcorn vibe" that people visit us for. I imagine that films like Brokeback or Moonlight don't either, and not because of "gay content". But ruling out movies with gay characters? Heck, that character is a staple of modern comedy, the bulk of our business. I was kind of disappointed this thing was released too soon for our season, we'd likely do well with it. The Henagar Drive-In is really going to struggle if it wants to nit-pick on personal "morals".

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Manny Montes
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I'm very non-nonchalant over what gets played. I disagree with "focus on the family" and other organizations but will play their movies because there's a good audience for it in the south. $$$ pays the bills and unfortunately that is something the new owners will learn shortly

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Allan Barnes
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You book the films that your customers want OR you build an audience that you want as a business owner. BUSINESS WORKS BOTH WAYS. We are a family business so generally we never play RESTRICTED or HORROR FILMS. Same for a GAY or OTHER POLITICIAL "message" films I don't want to promote. ie PROMISED LAND (fraking bad) or ELYSIUM (universal health care) or BROKEN BACK MOUNTAIN or 50 SHADES

THAT BEING SAID... is Disney here exploiting a GAY character for LAUGHTS... SHAME

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Manny Montes
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From what I've read (and will most likely screen next week) the "gay scene" isn't even that bad. Won't post the spoilers here but you can read about it from plenty of sites what it is. Right now with Beauty & The Beast tracking as the fastest selling family film in history, I can't see this business lasting through the year, especially if they're going to pass on any violent or rated R movie this year. If I was any of their competition in town I'd be jumping for joy and promoting the hell out of the movie, that being said i'm sold out for Friday and Saturday all shows up until 10pm.

Having seen what happens in the past, it always seems like those who speak out loudest against these "perversions" are the ones who have the most sins in their closet.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Allan Barnes
You book the films that your customers want OR you build an audience that you want as a business owner. BUSINESS WORKS BOTH WAYS.
That's true, but the owner of that drive-in isn't necessarily doing that...he's booking the films that HE wants. Huge difference there.

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Justin Hamaker
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At our drive-in we get frequent complaints about playing too many family friendly movies and not enough adult oriented films. I can appreciate this point of view. Unfortunately the reality is attendance and per capita drop significantly when we play adult oriented movies. This applies to horror movies, romantic comedies, and R rated action movies. The only exception is popular R rated comedies.

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Eric Hooper
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"The media" is a very popular target for criticism these days. Sadly, very few people seem to be aware of an enormous hypocrisy present in that criticism. Basically, it takes two to to tango. The American public is the other partner in this dance of decadance. The public made "the media" what it is today. It's all our fault. But we accept no responsibility for creating this situation.

The purpose of "the media" is to make money selling advertising. They're doing whatever they can to get more eyes on their TV channels, web pages or other outlets. They're giving their viewers/readers what they want. And what the public wants is various name-branded echo-chambers that specifically cater to their own already long-held hard-lined biases, stirring up their emotions in the process.

The general public, collectively, just absolutely loves to get pissed off about something. Many of us love indulding in feelings of anger and judgment. We also take joy in the humiliation of others, especially a public figure who has "fallen from grace." The media obliges, holding up various targets for our scorn.

Much of this human behavior was present before Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press. However, over the past 30 years we have seen the relationship between "the media" and the public change dramatically. Decades ago concepts like ethics in journalism were considered more important. Media companies were proud to say their news divisions were losing money. They just didn't touch on the money making formula yet.

Nearly 30 years ago talk radio and always-on cable news programming was first to figure out the fact people love turning in to get pissed off. Since then they have refined the model, amping up the emotional sensationalism to make the content more potent, able to deliver a bigger rush. Viewers/readers keep coming back to it the same way a heroin junkie searches out his pusher to score a fix.

I think all the on-screen ticker trash is one example of the manipulation. Prior to 9-11-01 a viewer usually only saw a text ticker on the bottom of the screen when there was a tornado watch or if he was watching a stock ticker on a business channel. Viewers tuned in to 9-11 coverage as if keeping vigil, constantly reading the latest developments on those tickers. Those on-screen graphics have been a permanent fixture since then.

The most harmful thing "the media" discovered about the general public is its sheer gullibility and narrow-mindedness. We are so easy to manipulate. In recent years we've seen this new breed of "news" web sites sprout to take advantage, delivering nothing short of propaganda, misinformation and even messages of hatred.

I'm not sure what the the public can do to turn around this mess, but it's all on them to make it happen. I personally don't bother with 24 hour cable news networks. Even the morning news on the broadcast channels is hard to take at times. This morning Good Morning America was running a story about Michael Jackson's kids. They showed video from the Motown 25 TV special in 1983 where Jackson first performed his "moonwalk." The fucking on-screen ticker trash completely covered up Jackson's feet.
[Roll Eyes]

This...is the post of the year! [beer] [thumbsup]

Back on topic, I believe any business owner should be able to run their business any way they want to. However, they should be prepared for "the market" to tell them whether their business model is going to be successful or not. Oftentimes, what may sound like a good idea to the business owner, turns out to not be so great with the general public and their potential customers in the end... But good luck to them, and bless their hearts.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Eric Hooper
Back on topic, I believe any business owner should be able to run their business any way they want to. However, they should be prepared for "the market" to tell them whether their business model is going to be successful or not. Oftentimes, what may sound like a good idea to the business owner, turns out to not be so great with the general public and their potential customers in the end... But good luck to them, and bless their hearts.
THAT... is the post of the year!

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Justin Hamaker
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quote: Eric Hooper
Back on topic, I believe any business owner should be able to run their business any way they want to.
I agree with this with the caveat that they are operating within the law, including not violating any discrimination laws. Of course that would not apply in this specific case.

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Scott Norwood
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What I don't understand about this particular case is why the owner felt the need to make such a public issue out of his decision to not book a title that he did not think that his patrons would enjoy. There are probably at least a dozen or two first-run titles that the owner did not book that week; why didn't he make a public issue over his reasons for not booking them? Did he think that his business would increase if he got publicity for being the "family friendly" movie theatre?

Theater owners pass on titles all the time. They don't normally post public rants that sound like they came from deranged lunatics to explain why.

I respect the guy for booking (and not booking) whatever titles are most appropriate for his patrons. I don't respect him for turning a business decision into a political/social/religious issue.

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Martin McCaffery
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quote: Scott Norwood
I don't respect him for turning a business decision into a political/social/religious issue.
You're not from around here, are you? [evil]

Seriously, I can't get into this any deeper with violating the religion/politics prohibitions. Let's just say this level of self-righteous religious exhibitionism is just background noise in this state.

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Mike Blakesley
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We're not a Bible Belt state but similar things have happened here. Usually a theater will close, then some guy will reopen it pledging to play only family oriented, wholesome films that you can "feel safe" taking the kids too, and they always throw in "without charging the high prices of the big chains." They always go out of business very shortly because they refuse to accept the realities of the business.

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Jason McMillan
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Back in the early 90s when I worked for Landmark Theatres, we received bomb threats when we chose to book and play both "Kids" and "Priest" (the movie with Linus Roache about a gay Priest, not to be confused with the Paul Bettany one). It's always struck me as odd that the ones with the "moral convictions" were the ones we had to be the most worried of. It just sounds like censorship to me, instead of giving people a choice of what to watch.

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Scott Norwood
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My favorite response to protesters outside the theatre was for the manager to go out and politely talk to them and find out what they found offensive about the film that they were protesting. He then asked if they had seen it, which, of course, they hadn't. He offered them free passes so that they could watch the film and have an informed opinion on it. They did not take him up on the offer. Anyway, I thought that it was a respectful and polite way to deal with the situation, which also pointed out the stupidity of these particular protesters.

I don't remember the title, but it was in the mid-2000s and contained a pretty innocuous scene that was claimed to disparage a particular religion (Catholicism, I think). There were fewer than half a dozen "protesters."

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