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Pravin Ratnam
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Considering the average person out there doesnt give a crap about quality presentation(thanks to all theater chains sucking in this department brainwashing a whole generationof moviegoers into thinking dim projector bulbs are the standard) compared to location and his stupid popcorn, it is really not that stupid to name your location after the street or shopping mall. People know exactly where your theater is by the name.

Unless you are an owner committed to a great presentation with nice looking interiors, and have a really nice name in mind, you are better off using the current format used for many theater names.

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Don Furr
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that "all" of the Carmike "Windsong" theatres are named after the CEO's (Michael Patrick) son, Wind.

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Thomas Procyk
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Actually, the Carmikes you are referring to are called Wynnsong, not WINDsong. They're named for their parent company (?) Eastwynn Theatres.

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Robert E. Allen
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Not true Dustin!

Most of the theatres I worked in during the 50s and 60s were built as movie theatres. The curtains add to the effect that a performance is taking place. The most beautiful set of curtains I ever saw was at the United Artest theatre in Pomona, California. It featured a master "teardrop" curtain which was raised as the houselights were faded. Then the picture hit the title curtain and after the trademark played off the title curtain opened as the music and title faded in. This was most effective during CinemaScope presentations when the title curtain was opened during the 20th Century Fox logo just as the "CinemaScope" addition played to a width patrons had never seen before.

Today, most multiplexes not only do not have curtains but crop the 'scope pictures in most cases to a 2.00 x 1 ratio rather than it's true 2.39 x 1 ratio cheating the public out of the ambience and about a third of the picture.

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Brad Miller
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The 2.1 crop must be something common in your part of the country. There are very few theaters in this area that do that.

Personally I always thought the worst names for a theater was the UA Plaza in Dallas. This one was called "The United Artists" for several years, until finally someone at the corporate office awoke from their coma and realized what a stupid idea that was.

The other "worst name" actually belongs to the Cinemark chain. For years they called ALL of their theaters "Movies 8" or "Movies 12", etc. Oh yeah, that's REAL descriptive. Give me a street name buried in the theater name any day! Of course later they got on a kick of calling all of their theaters Hollywood USA, and more recently they call themselves Tinseltown. There really does need to be a little more thought put into these names. [Roll Eyes]

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Robert E. Allen
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Pravin:

I read in Boxoffice recently that a survey was taken and 67% of those responding said they chose a theatre because of the screen presentation. So there's hope for those of us who still believe the projection room is "the heart of the theatre". But I agree that the corporate big boys need to get their butts off their padded chairs and their eyes on more screens to correct a problem that, I believe, certainly added to the reasons most of them filed for bankruptsy.

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Evans A Criswell
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quote:
Actually, the Carmikes you are referring to are called Wynnsong, not WINDsong. They're named for their parent company (?) Eastwynn Theatres.
So, was Eastwynn something that existed separately from Martin/Carmike and got bought by them, or is it a division of Carmike? There are some Wynnsong locations that look just like the Carmike ones. I saw "Eastwynn Theatres" on a permit at Carmike Century Cinema 8 in Decatur, so what is the relationship between Eastwynn and Carmike? Please enlighten me.

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Pravin Ratnam
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Robet, my reply may come off as weird. But I agree and disagree with your point. I feel that if a chain has and markets a demonstrably superior visual and audio screening experience to patrons, they will regain some of their discriminatory senses and will seek out a better presentation. For a long time in the 80s, patrons just went to the more convenient and nicer looking theaters. Once digital started getting all the hype inthe early 90s, i remember theater chains proudly listing which auditoriums had which digital format in their movie listings. Then more and more people started seeking out digital audio and stadium seating. But it took at least one major chain to whet the customer appetite and make it a priority once they rediscovered quality. An individual theater would not be able to shift regional consumer priorities.

Now that digital sound is no longer the buzzword it was , a lot of theaters, at least in Atlanta, have cut back on the importance of showing movies in the proper digital format. Formats are mislabeled in paperlistings proving that managers dont feel a need to be aware of the sound possibly because customers are not asking as much nowadays leading to complacency. If all the chains scale back in the sound and video quality, then patrons will not bother to seek out a better presentation and will make popcorn and location more of a priority. And I believe that is the case in a more than few places, including Atlanta. When I see managers confused by my queries in recent years, it tells me that managers are ignorant because customers are not pushing them for this information anymore.

Same with projection. People are so used to 2:1 cropping of 2.35:1 pictures, barely acceptable projector bulb intesities, that we need a major chain to maintain and market a superior visual experience so that people will want to seek out those theaters that show a better picture. I think patrons have been lulled into a passive acceptance of the current projection standards. It's like VHS versus non anomorphic DVDs in the mid 90s. I could see the quality difference and stopped renting vhs tapes right away. But people who used to stop by my house could not appreciate the difference and thought the quality difference was there but not that significant. Once DVDs started getting better, then even they started shunning VHS tapes becasue the difference was too big to ignore, especially with anamorphic dvds. If film studios continued to come out with very average quality DVDs, I doubt VHS rentals shares would be declining as rapidly as they are now even if an average quality dvd is still superior.

Theaters are not realizing that by looking at the short term cost savings, they are harming the industry in the long term. As DVD has greatly increased the home video experience with sound better than most movie theaters, and a picture that actually is closing the gap between home video and theater quality thanks to poor projection standards by chains like AMC, moviegoing has become only a must see in the first couple of weeks or wait until dvd experience. What chains dont realize is that once a whole generation gets comfortable with the idea of expecting parity in the home video and theater experience, then the only reason to go to the theater would be the must see factor of a buzzworthy movie in the first week or just be part of the crowd. People will start staying more and more at home to watch other movies on dvd in increasingly cheaper big screen tvs. Once this habit gets ingrained for a few years, it will be tougher to regain their patronage. DVDs are already coming out with more footage and earlier release dates. The big thing theaters have going for them is the "ability" to have a high resolution picture on a big screen with a crowd. So ,yes I agree customers want a superior picture. But unless there is a significant difference, they won't bother to seek out theaters further away just for the picture like I try to do.

It is always cheaper to retain your current customers than attract new ones.

Sometimes, I wonder if theater chains that condone 2:1 cropping in some theaters deserve class action suits for fraud if they do not warn the customers with a sign since we expect the whole frame when we visit a theater.

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Don Furr
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Opps.....I did mean Wynnsong (not Windsong). I have no knowledge of any parent company for Carmike. If my memory serves me right it went directly from Martin to Carmike. I do know that Mike Patrick has a son named Wynn. People in the booking business offered the connection between Wynn Patrick and Wynnsong.

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John Pytlak
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Pravin Ratnam wrote: "Sometimes, I wonder if theater chains that condone 2:1 cropping in some theaters deserve class action suits for fraud if they do not warn the customers with a sign since we expect the whole frame when we visit a theater."

IMHO, theatres that don't care about composition are cheating their audience:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/pytlak/spring2001.shtml

It's one of the most frequently mentioned complaints by filmmakers.

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Pravin Ratnam
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John , nice series of articles on that website. Too bad people like George Lucas don't use their leverage to force theaters to use proper light intensities and proper aspect ratios instead of obsessing about how long the special engagements should last.

Maybe we should move this part of the thread to a new thread.

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