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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 01-28-2001 05:46 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
On the Mac it is as simple as dragging and dropping any picture from any web page from the browser to the desktop. You then own the picture! This works in IE and in Netscape. In HTML you can disable the right mouse button, but since the Mac only has one mouse button (why would anyone need more?) that tag doesn't work. When I use a PC I only use the left button anyway.

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 01-28-2001 07:02 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, what's with that two button thing anyway?

I've got about 80 click possibilities with my mouse right now, that I can think up off the top of my head...

Click, Half-click, Double Click, Click and a Half, Triple Click... then you multiply by the key modifiers if CMD, OPT, CTL and SHIFT.

(2^4) * 5 = 80, right?


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Brad Miller
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 - posted 01-28-2001 09:02 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Ian, it's not a matter of being "all powerful" and I really don't appreciate the comment as if I am some form of web-Hitler. The bottom line is I am tired of dealing with complaints from people using IE and that's that. 99% of complaints are an issue with the IE browser, not coding with the site. If you don't want to use Netscape, then fine don't...I've no problem with that. But don't come whining to me because you can't view the latest topic or you are constantly having to refresh your browser or you cannot read a certain text because IE doesn't support it or you cannot nagivate because of IE's continuing problems with sizing or because of a cookie incompatibility or pictures won't download or this or that and blah, blah, blah and whine, whine, whine. If you desire to use IE, then please use it quietly. If I was truly worried about being "all powerful" I would simply insert a very quick bit of coding that would redirect everyone using an IE browser to a screen that said "Using IE eh? Get Netscape or no Film-Tech for you!"

Martin, if you want to "steal" images from the site, just use Netscape. The resolution will be higher anyway.


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Rachel Carter
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 - posted 01-28-2001 11:02 PM      Profile for Rachel Carter   Email Rachel Carter   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
IMO, I used to use IE and it worked fine...I don't think having to refresh the screen every once in a while is such a bad thing, I always do it anyway.

I can't amagine how hard it is to keep this page up (I know I couldn't do it) so being me, I'm not one to complain. I'd take the time to thank Brad for giving us all a place to chat about our "theaters" instead of taking the time to complain that everything is not perfect.

But thats just my opinion....

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FUNNY!!!!!

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William Hooper
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 - posted 01-29-2001 12:20 AM      Profile for William Hooper   Author's Homepage   Email William Hooper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've never had any of the "need to often refresh with IE" problem. Even after I post & do the click here, I've got the new page.

It may be that the IE-refreshers can adjust the settings in Tools->Internet Options->General to get rid of the problem.

BTW: I've most often had problems with Netscape not loading newer versions of pages. That coupled with Netscape's weird failure to follow the standards, & orphaning their old proprietary "features" with new versions, has made me want to not fool with it ever again.

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 01-29-2001 01:26 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
No, I don't have problems often, mind you. Sometimes the download of a page seems to "hang" for a lot longer than it should. Other times the page comes out all catty-wompass and half of it doesn''t appear. It's pretty infrequent and WHEN it does, a refresh fixes it almost all of the time.

The ONLY thing that's continuous is that "Hop-To" pop-up doohickey. Even then it's nothing more than a MINOR pain in the arse.

As much as I see Brad posting messages in the front page of this site that say, "Servers running slow", I STILL think this site loads faster than most... even other UBB sites!

Sometimes, I don't agree with Brad's choices of the way things are done. (For instance, not letting people access pages directly makes it too hard for me to write a "Sherlock" plug-in for this site.) Even then, I understand WHY it's been done, even if I might have done it another way.

When it comes out in the wash, it's Brad's dod-gamm site and he can do it the way he wants. This is AMERICA, for cripes-sake! Besides, HE's paying for it!!

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 01-29-2001 02:44 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Randy,

F.Y.I. The typical page loading problems are due quite honestly to crappy servers with poor connections. The most common problem of a hanging forum page however is usually due to a picture file that has been linked from a non-Film-Tech server by a member. (This is why I try and pull those pictures and move them to the Film-Tech servers as soon as possible...but the servers hosting the site still aren't anything to boast about.) I have bounced this site off of more hosting companies than I care to remember (had to move it 3 times in the last month or so) to get around bandwidth and CPU usage issues. I don't want to announce anything yet, but if all goes well such issues of "hanging pages", etc" will disappear in a couple of months. Issues with IE however, will not change. From the posts above, I think that most people above are already in the habit of reloading the pages and such though.

William,

I know of no way to "force" IE to always check pages for new content, but on Netscape this is quite easy. Click:
edit/preferences/advanced/cache
and then select "document in cache is compared to document on network every time" and you will never have to use the reload button ever again.

(I have heard there is a java based code that will force the refresh of every page it is coded into on the IE browser. Believe me, if I can make it work, I will install it into the forum pages to eliminate these problems with IE.)


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Randy Stankey
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Sucking the pictures off others servers is cool! I only have 20 MB of space at mac.com and I have a lot of pictures on it. (I use it to keep in touch with family by sending them pictures and stuff.)

It's good to know that I only have to leave them up for about a week (at the VERY most) and then I can take them down.

I suppose I could PAY for more storage space...

Thanks.

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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 - posted 01-30-2001 03:50 AM      Profile for Gracia L. Babbidge   Author's Homepage   Email Gracia L. Babbidge   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've been a Netscape user for as long as I've been an internet surfter. And I won't touch Netscape 6 with a 10' pole!

...Its odd though, for some reason, Java isn't working right with Netscape on my machine, and I've been too much of a bum to track down what the problem is, so; for the few instances where I'm at a page where I need java stuff to work, I actually use IE5. Otherwise, I would not have that browser on my computer…

I never get angry with the Film-Tech site. It rocks!

My connection, and my machine on the other hand…

~GLB

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Gordon McLeod
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I use Netscape 4.7 and have no use for IE
Netscape also is the only stable browser for OS2 which I run on my file server in the office.
On my win based laptops I use Opera (which is now available for free((with banner ads or for $39.00 without ads)) and it is 100% HTML compliant very fast and takes up little harddisk space and requires little system resources
It I have found the best on resource starved laptops maeking longdistance conections from a hotel

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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 01-30-2001 05:18 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't get all these problems people seem to be having with IE. Reloading? Refreshing? Maybe it's because the computers I use are fairly new (FINALLY!) but I've been using IE since day 1 and have never had any sort of problem.

If I had any complaints at all, it would be that you can't bookmark the forums. Even that's only a minor thing, 'cause I keep an address bar on my taskbar and it's always got "www.film-tech.com" there, so I just have to click-it. It's a hassle having to go thru the menu and disclaimer screens every time though.

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Brad Miller
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Hassle, yes. A necessity, yes also. Due to a couple of minor incidents last year with a company lurking on the forums, the disclaimer was decided upon to be mandatory for legal reasons in the best interest of the members. If I allow direct bookmarking into the site, it lets people get around this and any announcements on the main page will be overlooked.

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Cory Johnson
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 - posted 01-30-2001 10:18 PM      Profile for Cory Johnson   Email Cory Johnson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Site works great with Mac OS X and OmniWeb. Once the final is released of IE for X, it should be excellent also. Currently, thought the latest build of OmniWeb is rockin' the house... Houston, we have a winner...

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 01-30-2001 11:03 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
IE for Mac OS X works pretty well... nice browser for the most part. Haven't tried Omniweb. How does it handle:
*JavaScript
*DHTML
*VBScript
*CSS
*XML ?

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