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John Pytlak
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Scratches or cinch marks on a negative element will appear white in the final print. Scratches or cinch marks on a positive element (e.g., the master positive) will normally appear black. A deep emulsion scratch will remove image dye, and have coloration.

Reports in this thread say the scratches were quite localized, leading to the hypothesis that they may have been due to excessive handling, such as recutting a negative. Base scratches and superficial scratches to the emulsion can usually be alleviated by wet printing, where a solvent having the same refractive index as the film optically "fills in" the scratches:
http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/support/h1/printingP.shtml#wetgate

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John Hawkinson
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John P.: Point. I suppose I didn't pay close enough attention to the comments, especially those in FHMR.

On the other hand, it was on 3000 screens, so perhaps there were multiple dupe-negs.

--jhawk

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Joseph D. Olson
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Moving back to the subject of false alarms like "Gremlins 2", I'm wondering if anybody running Fight Club on a Reel-to-reel ever accidentally changed over during the scene in which a phony changeover cue was shown?

Everytime I see something like that in a movie, I get scared for the unexperienced folks like myself and praise the booth gods that I wasn't working.

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So if old projectionists don't die, what happens when new projectionists get old?

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Joseph D. Olson
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Oops. SOmebody already mentioned that.

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Joe Redifer
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This is very minor, but at the opening of "The Divine Yahoo Sisters" it gives you the black and white Warner Bros logo, but after that you get the "Gaylord Films" logo. Big deal, eh? Well the film is in scope and right beneath the text "Gaylord Films" is a line which looks like a frameline. When I first saw it I thought it was out of frame. I didn't adjust it, but I was fooled for a nanosecond.


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Scott Norwood
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The first day I ever ran 35mm, the first thing to hit the screen was the trailer for something called "Shooting Fish." This begins with the MPAA ratings band and then immediately shows a split-screen thing. To anyone not familiar with the trailer, it appears to be two perfs out of frame. That was, um, interesting.

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Thomas Procyk
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Scott-- YES!! I know exactly what you're talking about. Not counting the policy trailers we trained with, the first "real" trailer I ran was "Shooting Fish". If I remember correctly, it ended with the song, "Do you know the way to San Jose..."

Not a good trailer to run as a first-timer. I was grabbing for the framing knob in a split second! Those were the days...

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Scott Norwood
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Yes, that's the one! (I don't have a print...if anyone does, I'd kind of like to have one...) I never actually saw "Shooting Fish"...

What's more annoying is that, due to lack of training, I wasn't aware of the need to advance the intermittent before threading, so of course the ratings band came up out of frame. I quickly fixed that, only to see that damn split-screen effect.


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Ken Lackner
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I know it was a cartoon, but The Emperor's New Groove pissed me off. There was a scene where the "film" comes to a screetching halt and the llama starts talking about what had just happend. (I think he may have even come across the screen and started pointing to things, but I can't remember.) As soon as the "film" started to "stop," I jumped out of my seat and started to run down the stairs faster than you could imagine! It even got me the *second* time I saw the movie! Man, did I feel dumb. At least I wasn't alone: The manager I was watching it with had the exact same reaction.


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Thomas Procyk
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I should have saved that trailer. Thought nothing of it at the time...

In regards to the Emperor's New Groove doing the film-stopping trick, this also happened in "Adventures of Elmo in Grouchland" whenever it got too "scary" and Bert & Ernie would come on the screen and explain what's going on, and it would start again. It didn't get me so much as the customers coming out to tell us the movie stopped.

Oh, and Ken:

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As soon as the "film" started to "stop," I jumped out of my seat and started to run down the stairs faster than you could imagine!

So wait, your booth is located below the auditorium? j/k

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Steve Scott
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In "O" the attached trailer had a bad lab splice because the trailer was changed from an earlier one when the print was scheduled for release a few months earlier. My boss, a technician and myself were all unable to find the splice (which was made in total darkness) and as a result, we had to cut the trailer at the Lion's Gate logo.

On the topic of fight club, there's the scene of when Tyler is splicing single frames of porno into the cartoon and the sound is directly in sync with the frame, instead of one second behind like it would be.

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John Pytlak
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Steve Scott said: "...and the sound is directly in sync with the frame, instead of one second behind like it would be."

Or to be precise, 21 frames behind. (Standard SMPTE 40)

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Jan Hackett
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Pulp Fiction as mentioned earlier. I built it up and did not have time to screen it before our big Friday night opening.....I was in a panic thinking I put the film together wrong..... It was a heart stopper............

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Geof Abruzzi
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I've never run it, but Ingmar Bergman's "Persona" has the film shredding in the gate. Not knowing it was there should make any projectionists heart skip.

Less dramatic and more recent: "Y tu mama tambien" There is an unnamed voiceover narrator. Usually with voiceovers, all other sound does a slow fade to make room for the narrator. "Y tu mama" does an almost instant cutoff, and the first time it happens, the narrator doesn't come in for at least 6-8 seconds. I thought our sound had cut out, and I was halfway to the booth before the narrator started talking.

Geof

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Steve Scott
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I can't get anything past you John,
Thank you for striking down misinformation

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