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Author Topic: Computer !@#$%^&* Crash! Jerry Chase Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1068 From: Margate, FL, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 02-08-2001 08:22 PM                       Just curious, what would an audience be voting on in your home?... Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-08-2001 08:58 PM                     I agree with Paul.....Compoop is absolutely right! Best nickname I have heard yet . However I ahve to admit that my first puter was also a Compoop. A 486/66 and it was slow as molasses and totally upgradable. Gave it to an old girlfriend that I didn't like anyway to get even . Fortunately we have only one left on our office. We have 19 pc's networked and we rarely have a lockup like that. All of our computers are Chinese clones which we have built and are much better than any of the big factory built things we have had and tossed out. Dell may be somewhat of an exception as their computers are upgradable to some extent as a friend of mine found out. But others like H-P, Compoop, and Packard Smell simply are piles of waste waiting for the trip to the trash heap. Its time for you to graduate from that Apple Core and build your own high end PC. Any of us here would be more than willing to help you out. You'll learn how good a nice PC can be, and you'll also be able to fix simple problems when they do creep up cause you will have built it. Mark @ GTS Sean M. Grimes Expert Film Handler Posts: 247 From: Lunenburg, MA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 02-09-2001 04:52 AM                        ahh but for stable networking Novell 3.x is the way to go. Our server at my theater has been up and running now for four years with only one re-boot. Those damn power outages... Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-09-2001 06:33 AM                     I'm sure that you're right about Novell 3X. We are just peer to peer though. Simple system but if it gets any larger we will probablt have to consider other means. Mark Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-09-2001 08:29 AM                        Novell is nice if all you need is basic file and print sharing on a smallish network for PCs running DOS or Windows. I'm only familiar with the 3.x and 4.x versions, but they ran on not-very-impressive hardware and were rock solid with good performance. Unfortunately, Novell can become a hairy mess if you start adding lots of NLMs to do weird things. Apparently the newer versions of Network also encapsulate IPX over IP (I only worked with the pure-IPX versions), so I don't know how good an idea that is... I certainly wouldn't want a "Novell Web Server" or something, but it should be fine for simple file/print service. For larger networks, or those that need to support UNIX-style NFS, I am big fan of the Network Appliance ( http://www.netapp.com/ ) file servers. Unfortunately, though, both NT and most Unix variants make horrible print servers...it's hard to beat Novell for that purpose. I don't know much about OS/2. I used to manage a voicemail system that ran it, but the voicemail software was junk and had a memory leak that required a reboot every few months. Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-09-2001 10:13 AM                     Our main use for the network is for internet and Quickbooks Pro. We do all of our bookeeping in that program. We do have a central computer that quickbooks runs form. That is an AMD based 1GHZ machine that is really an impressive running PC. When we switched over to it our data transfer rate over the network went way up. Quickbooks is a large program and our Quickbooks database is also quite large. So far the peer to peer has been really quite good. The main problems is when we get Quickbooks upgrades we have to upgrade all 19 PC's or you cannot log onto the main computer. The upgrades are sometimes lengthy and do not always install automatically. We also feed a DSL line into the network and each computer has its own IP address. Mark @ GTS Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 02-09-2001 10:45 AM                        Jerry- I'm talking about the OS in general. Hopefully, you know that. Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-09-2001 11:06 AM                     Mark, do you actually have 19 computers hooked into ONE DSL line? How well does that work? How many people are online at a given time? I wonder what the cut off point is when a dialup becomes faster over splitting one high speed connection. Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-09-2001 12:24 PM                        Hooking up a bunch of machines to a single DSL line is pretty simple. Ideally, the ISP will provide routed service and assign you a block of IP addresses which you then distribute among the machines in your organization. Alternatively, if the number of IP addresses provided is smaller than the number of hosts, then you can use a hardware or software firewall (a 486 PC running Linux will work nicely) that can provide "IP masquearding" to allow multiple machines to share one "external" address. The machines behind the firewall will be given RFC1918 (private network/"non-routable") IP addresses that are translated by the firewall. Since anyone lucky enough to be located within about 5000 feet of the local telephone central office can get 1.5Mpbs SDSL, the number of users shouldn't be a problem. That's T1-level bandwidth (with less reliability, though), so it can easily be used by 100 or more users at once, depending on usage patterns. Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-09-2001 12:34 PM                     Its pretty much as Scott says. I have never measured the bandwidth, oe speed at a given computer though. We are only a block from the switch office too and that does help out. All in all the DSL is well worth it. The real pisser is the limitations of Quickbooks Pro. It will only allow 5 computers to log on at a time. We have not found a way around that yet and I would assume that more than 5 would cause it to get unrealistically slow. Mark

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