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Gordon McLeod
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John Holmes starred in several anaglyphic 3d porn flicks

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Bob Maar
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The only 3D porno I ever saw was in the seats in the auditorium itself.

At the State theatre Boston was located in what was known as the "Combat Zone". All film had to be screened in the 1960's for the City Censor. He was a real what I call a "Pip" Brad Major's from the Rocky Horror Picture Show has his nickname (We all know what that is)I don't know of any actual 3D Porno but will check with my "Sleezy" friends.

PS Joe lend me your F-T Hat, so I can slip in "Incognito".

Paul, I'm glad to be in your company.

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Bob Maar
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I just saw Frank's post on this thread. I was arrested in the early seventies and charged with inter-state transportation of obscene material. I was arrested in Washington DC at 7:30 while waving down a cab to fly back to NY. The charges were moved off of me personally and put on the corporation. I had asked the manager in a Baltimore theatre we owned to ship a print to an theatre in DC that we owned. The trial took place in the Souther District Court in Memphis. We were found Not Guilty. 18 months later.

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Jesse Skeen
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There were a number of polarized 3-D porno movies in the 70's and 80's, I have a videotape using the LCD shutter system called "Sexcalibur", made in 1982. 3-D effects are pretty good but the overall production is cheap, though it did have an original theme song recorded for it.
There were a few porno movies in Dolby Stereo, including "Stiff Competition" (1984) which has above-average production values though the music is recycled library stuff.
So does anyone have an idea of what the very LAST porno movie to have 35mm prints made was?

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Tom Sauter
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As college projectionists once a year we were hired to run the University of Rochester's annual porn nite, where 35mm porn was screened for sold out houses of over 1000. I recall many interesting evenings of 3D porn, protests, bomb threats, and riot police. It was more of a free speech thing.

AFAIK, the last time I *ahem* attended was 1997 and it still occurs every spring. Also in Rochester the Monroe Show World is still in operation and the Lyell was operating just a few years ago. Never went so I have no idea about format. Was always curious, though.

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John Pytlak
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Tom:

Recall that the Monroe and its sister theatre the Riviera were the premier theatres in Rochester during the 60's, where all the big 70mm roadshows played. Both fell on hard times in the early 70's, and began their fall to disgrace just to pay the bills. The same projectors that showed 70mm prints of "Ben Hur" and "The Sound of Music" now were used for the 35mm XXX stuff like "Debbie Does Dallas" and "Deep Throat".

The city was finally able to shut down the Riviera for back taxes, and the theatre was torn down to build a CVS drug store. Lynn Smeal managed the Riviera from its glory days to it's ignominious closing. He was a true SHOWMAN, saddened by the closing of his grand theatre. I met him to arrange Kodak's purchase of the two Norelco 35/70mm projectors, which now safely reside in our 2000-seat Kodak Theater on the Ridge. Lynn died shortly after, IMHO, of a broken heart.

I'm saddened to think of all the similar situations throughout the country, of grand theatres being left behind in the name of "progress".

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Bill Enos
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The x house here ceased film around '84. Didn't have any of the film goodies listed above, but it did have paper towel dispensers on the walls of the auditorium, they went thru quite a few every day. The theatre closed 4 years ago and was renovated by the university to become the theatre for the dance dept.

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Jerry Chase
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3D? You knew I was going to chime in eventually. I've still got correspondence from Mike Findlay, who was shooting 3D in the mid 1970s. He had a 35mm over/under 2.35/1 X rated production with a work title of "Unnatural Acts" using 32mm, 22mm and fisheye lenses. His comment was that Orson Wells was right, the 2.35/1 format was great... for snakes and parades. Another gay porno production was being shot at the time using Alvin Mark's Depix system, which used polarizing filters at the camera end, with a resultant problems of 3 stop light loss, and glare in a single eye from the crossed polarizing filters. The lens for the Marx system was 50mm. Marks also advocated "Time-Delay 3-D" where selected ajacent frames were used for left and right eye image pairs. The effect must have been extremely difficult on the eyes. A simulated 3-D called "Cinetron" was given a patent # 2,952,182, and another related patent was 3,006,241.

At the time, the Japanese had a regular (not porno) 3D film "Kikaida" which showed in Honolulu, and the Russians had a 70mm side-by-side system. One of the features for that system was "The Mysterious Monk."

I have a sample clip from Findlay's film, the 3D looks similar to the Spacevision system.

One ad in a 1974 trade journal was for "Love in 3D" with Ingrid Steeger, "filmed in 3 dimensional 70mm/technicolor"

Other Stereovision released 3D (soft X) porno films were "3D Prison Girls", "Best Little House on Capitol Hill", and "The Starlets." Hardcore titles weren't advertised in the trade journals I got, however an information sheet shows films in 3D production June 1983
"Emanuelle-4", "99 Women", "The Legend of Venus", as well as in-the-can films "Tickled Pink"(What the butler saw), "North and South Chivalry, and other non-porno 3-D.


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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Brad,
The Stewadesses was the first 3D that I remember. There were also others that ran for years in some locations.
Also, if this thread runs very long you may have to run an age disclaimer to be able to get in here........there are some youngin's lurking about out there.

Joe,
Most Porno houses did not have to rely on SRD, Stadium Seating, or other magical things. All of these places had other types of aids to help make the movie more realistic......
Mark


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Paul G. Thompson
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Mark, yah! Like the movie shown in "Feel-Around" as depicted in The Kentucky Fried Movie?


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Joe Redifer
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Kentucky Fried Movie kicks ass.

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Brad Miller
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Mark, so long as noone decides to post a picture from one of these flicks, I don't see a problem with the kiddies reading about 3D porno films. Besides, if the kiddies want to see some porno, there's probably 20 million web sites out there for their viewing pleasure.

I remember hearing when DVDs first came out that the adult industry was going to start shooting their "films" from multiple angles so people with DVDs could select the camera they wanted to view the "action" from. Anyone know if they actually did this? The only DVD I know of that has taken advantage of the multiple angle feature is Detroit Rock City.


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Paul G. Thompson
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Personally, I think porn films are totally disgusting. If you seen one, you have seen them all.

Some of those booths are equally disgusting. I serviced the equipment in some of those places in Seattle a long time ago, and when I left the booth, I had to go home and de-louse myself. Some of those booths were absolutely filthy. The only thing I didn't see in some of those booths was a trash can (if one even existed) full of maggots.


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Jerry Chase
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Paul, you're more right than you know about seeing one, seeing them all.

I worked a season at a porno drive-in. It was actually a clean, family operated place (father and daughter), and there was always a local cop on duty and no nonsense. I've worked in lots worse places.

Anyway, the owner used to place ads for used X rated 35mm films in Boxoffice and other magazines. He collected a houseful, and since many of the companies were in business about as long as a fruit fly lives, he could show many of these without paying any film rental. During slow weeks, he'd rent a new headline film, double feature it with one of his own, and get the regular customers. On the major weekends, when the drive-in would be packed anyway, he refused to rent films at all, but ran his own and took home the entire gate. _That_ was a man who understood the industry and new how to work a niche market.

A lot of the films had the same actors, and many didn't bother with plot lines, and audiences didn't much care about anything but the action anyway. Scenes from one film could be seen showing up in other films, title bands often had multiple titles, and it was an odd mix of footage that got shown on the screen, along with an occasional new feature.

I didn't see porno as disgusting as much as I saw it as boring (no pun intended). Having to watch for changeover cues, I soon came to the conclusion that these films had about as much plot value as watching an animated cutaway of an internal combustion engine for an hour and ten minutes.

Everyone else who worked in the place had a similar attitude and we spent more time chatting in the snack bar than worrying about what was on-screen.

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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There are two color anaglyph 35mm 3-D features that were in release recently. These are retitled prints of two 1970's features. The Disco Dolls in "Hot Skin" was retitled Blonde Emanuelle in 1984. The Lollipop Girls in "Hard Candy" was retitled Scoring! in 1984 and M 3-D! in 1988.

R. M. Hayes 3-D Movies : a history and filmography of stereoscopic cinema (1989) lists release dates for Blonde Emanuelle and Scoring! as February 1984. Hayes lists The Disco Dolls in "Hot Skin" as 1978 and The Lollipop Girls in "Hard Candy" as November 1976. Both were filmed in Deep Vision (single strip polybiochromatic anaglyphic), and released by Debonair, later by Jaguar-Beehive, and later still by Tara Releasing.

The filmmakers name, Norm De Plume, is a pseudonym for Stephen Gibson. Gibson's other Deep Vision films are The Playmates (1973), Black Lolita (1975), Wildcat Women (1976), and It Came from Inner Space (1985).

The April 2000 issue of Penthouse had an article on John Holmes, "Born to Be Wadd" by Legs McNeil. In the article Bill Margold states, "There is an orgy scene in Disco Dolls where I'm being blown by Leslie Bovee and John's being worked on by four people next to me--and all of a sudden his dick popped out over my head, and I looked up at it and it was like the opening shot of Star Wars.

"I had the feeling that if I got hit in the head by that thing, I'd get a concussion. So my dick, which was happily ensconced in Leslie's mouth, was no longer interested in working. And she laughed, and he laughed, and I had to laugh at myself."

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