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Thomas Procyk
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1842
From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 06-26-2004 12:17 PM
Randy -- Let's just hope you don't quit cigarettes and become addicted to Wellbutrin! Or start smoking again because you need to fill the gap that quitting Wellbutrin caused...
I'm allergic to tobbaco. Before the anti-smoking law went into effect in this state, I had to carefully choose where to go, where to eat, where to play pool, where to bowl... unless I wanted to feel like I had a massive cold with a sore throat while doing these activities. Even if the smoking section was within a breeze's distance, I'd start sneezing.
A bad thing, it could be, but I look at it this way: I could never start smoking if I wanted to! On the other hand, I can't go to a bar or a strip joint if I wanted to, either. I don't think the ladies would appreciate me getting snot on their breasts. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Here's a curious question, though: Have any of you smokers ever tried the vaporizor approach? It's a device primarily sold in establishments advertizing their products for "tobacco use only" and such. It burns the substance at a lower temperature, releasing the nicotine and whatnot without burning the actual plant matter, greatly reducing the tar and other chemicals produced by just straight-up smoking. You're essentially breathing in vapor, not smoke. Of course, many might feel like a "druggie" using one of these things. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Erick Akers
Arse Kicker
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From: Dallas, TX, USA
Registered: May 2001
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posted 06-26-2004 06:30 PM
A very good point Thomas! ![[thumbsup]](graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
Like you,
I too am alergic to Tobacco; and as you may have already noticed, it's a progressive alergy.
Welbutrin / Zyban are addictive, and also hard to shake!
As you pointed out Randy, you have already experienced the "HIGH", but be fore warned, It also comes with a "LOW"!
I'm not familiar with your drug useage background, but from what you have stated in the past, I think you may fall into the catagory of an addictive personality.
What makes this even more difficult for you,
is that you are more reliant on a crutch.
Antidepressants may actually be a bad thing, as most are very addictive!
As I am sure you are also aware that the pharmaceutical manufacturers not only desire this, but they constantly bombard us with non stop commercials to plug their products and pay the doctors we trust to get us hooked on their products by providing us with free samples!!!
I don't want to piss you off, but;
YOUR EXCUSE FOR SMOKING CIGARETTES TO STOP SMOKING POT IS JUST THAT, "AN EXCUSE!!!" Not withstanding the legalities!!!
Hell, I have friends that started smoking tobacco with their pot for the completly different high! Believe me, I know of which I speak.
Other than a point of stress,
or just wanting to relax or mellow out,
did you ever Jones for a Joint?
And when you were smoking pot, what was your intake level; 1 to 3 lefties a day, or the same quantity
as in a pack of ciggs?
As most of us here have great common sense, we all should know that there is a BIG difference between USE & ABUSE OF ANY SUBSTANCE BE IT CAFFENE, ALCOHOL, OR POT !!!
Anyone who has never tried marijuana and speeks of it's evil are total hippocrits as they know not of what the speek.
As Jimmi Hendrix posed the question,
"Have you ever been Experienced?"
Well I have!
I have sampled quite a few substances in my 35 years on earth,
both legal and illegal. The select few illegal that I never have and never will are:
Heroin,PCP, Morphene, Opium and I never tried Huffing solvents.
Of the illeagal few that I did try, I found Cocaine, Meth and Shrooms to leave me wanting more and I never touched them again ever!
Which only goes to show that a person can have total control over
becoming addicted! For the rest, may not be an option due to
genetic predisposition.
I also experienced the same for legally prescribed substances such as Darvon,Darvocet and Oxy Contin for pain, zoloft, Zyprexa, and Prozac for depression.
Prozac and Oxy Contin in particular are very bad in that they effectively eliminated the ability to care (give a shit), and you have no control over your control.
BTW: the antidepressants were suggested and tried as a legal alturnative to smoking pot by a former childhood friend who reciently found himself at the mercy of his own perscription pad.....
Translation: lost everything to a large prescriptive drug habit,
And locked away in a combination Rehab/Mental hospital for a year, and I doubt he will ever be the same!
To this day, I will admit, that I occasionaly smoke MJ, but never when I'm working!
( like you Randy, I had one of those oops moments, and learned my lesson)
and I don't make it a habit, as harm springs from excess!
Take Care Randy, and know that I am pulling for you to win your self control back!!!
Good luck, and if you want to chat later for some support, send me an e mail.
Erick
Randy, I edited this post to explain why this was hitting home.
[ 06-27-2004, 02:50 AM: Message edited by: Erick Akers ]
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 06-27-2004 02:35 AM
If Wellbrutin is taken exactly as perscribed by the doctor, you won't have to worry about addiction.
I was on that stuff for about 3 months. I dropped it because of nasty side effects physically. That's where the side effects come into the picture. As soon as I stopped taking it, those side effects went away.
I used Prozac for an additional 3 months, and the side efects were minimal. It did help the smoking frequency, and now I am holding it to about 15 or so cigarettes a day where it used to be over a pack a day. The more stress I can shed, the less I smoke.
As a further search, this is what I found as to whether Wellbrutin, Prozac, and anti-depressents are addictive:
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Are antidepressant medications addictive? Do they cause brain damage?
To the best of our current knowledge, antidepressant medications are not addictive, nor do they cause permanent changes in the brain. Thus, antidepressants are not generally abused "on the street." Also, while we might like a medication that somehow altered how the brain worked (i.e., some permanent effect) so sufferers did not have to keep taking effective treatment, as best we can tell right now, they compensate for whatever it is that is wrong but to not make the sort of corrective permanent changes that would be needed to stop the medication and not have the problem come back.
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Randy Stankey
Film God
Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-27-2004 08:25 AM
Of course, anything that alters one's natural neurochemistry has the potential to be addictive. Wellbutrin/Zyban are no different.
But, since one's neurochemistry has already been screwed all to hell by other drugs, using Wellbutrin is like fighting fire with fire. It's much easier to wean a patient off the Wellbutrin than it is from other drugs. I've done a fair bit of reading on the subject and I have satisfied myself on how it works and what the pitfalls are. I've got a doctor's advice and consultation any time I need it. (24/7)
Oh! While we are talking about Wellbutrin's pitfalls, I should mention one of the problems people DON'T talk about very often: IF the patient has a tendancy toward mood swings, the medication CAN exacerbate it. There is a slight chance (Less than 5%) that Wellbutrin will cause unexplained aggressive behavior.
There are four defences against this problem:
1) Dose titration: Start out with a low dose and work up to a theraputic dose while monitoring for changes in behavior. If any problems occur, the patient's dose is lowered OR the patient is taken off the medication all together.
2) Other medications (antipsychotics) can be added to the treatment to mediate the aggression.
3) As with ALL medications, the lowest effective dose should be used. The higher the dose, the greater chance of side effects there is.
4) If the patient has *ANY* history of bipolar disorder or signs of mood swings *OR* has had any adverse reactions while taking other similar medications, DO NOT PRESCRIBE in the first place!
Eric, I agree that the largest piece of the puzzle has a lot to do with willpower. Without the will to quit there is no point in trying. Willpower is what keeps you trying despite the difficulties. However, for some people the amount of will that it takes is a LOT more than you might expect.
Smoking cigarettes is child's play compared to what I used to do! 3 spliffs a day?! That's nothing! I don't care to talk about ancient history. Rest assured, it took a lot of will in the beginning to smoke only cigarettes. If there IS a cop out involved here, it is that I have kept smoking for so long. I have no doubt that cigs will be history in a while as well. It'll just take a bit of time.
This is simply not an issue of will. It is PART of the solution but not all of the solution.
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