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Joe Schmidt
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Today is Friday the 13th, and also my birthday, as are all such Fridays that fall on the 13th.

The “Chicken Little-like” item in the Wall Street Journal, which actually was a reader’s comment, is not nearly as crazy as one might think. I posted it initially without comments, just to get some debate started. Actually, the “sleeper” in all of this is something either nobody is paying much attention to, or prefers to ignore for whatever reasons; and it is the runaway utility bills materializing this past winter for the first time.

Chances are that Ian Price, who writes saying he “loves economic downturns,” is probably going to get his wish. In such times cash is king, and there is an old, old saying “The only time to buy real estate is when you can pick it up for CASH -- back taxes and pennies on the dollar.”

Ian, you would have loved it here in Billings about ‘87-88. Real estate was in a major slump, HUD/VA foreclosures were on nearly every corner begging to be picked up, and one of my doctor friends was buying with both hands. He is a fine doctor, but also an astute businessman, and today the “business” owns hundreds of rental units. He doesn’t deal with residential tenants, it is all run by a management company, but he and his wife do handle the commercial properties themselves. He’s confessed to me that on a lot of these deals he literally was stealing people’s equity and actually felt badly about it, but if he didn’t buy the stuff, somebody else would. Definitely a case of crying all the way to the bank.

I myself chose not to get into any of this as landlording does not appeal to me; nor does making money off the backs, sufferings and misfortunes of others. It’s just the way I am. Sorry.

My new friend Mark G. who I’m looking forward to meeting soon also makes some good potent statements and addresses the union/non-union issue head on. The union, of course, is the natural enemy of the corporate structure and ruthless, greedy executives who are manipulating to enrich themselves and don’t care about the employees, the company, its stockholders, customers or anyone else.

I’m personally union-neutral these days but have simply said, and will continue to say I don’t think it’s sound business practice to try and 100% run multiple-screen complexes with part-time popcorn shovelers on minimum wage. This is why we have the carmike cinema disaster here in Billings and lots of us don’t go to the movies any more, haven’t for years and may never go again. For much more on this, see our on-going discussions and debate in the “Pearl Harbor” thread.

Successful investors have to develop a knack for visualizing far down the road ahead. Warren Buffett has said, “I prefer simple businesses that I can understand.”

And now... a rough draft of an article I’m writing...

Why a new Great Depression is probably on its way:

In Montana where I live, the price of natural gas which we use for heat, has not just gone up slightly. It has DOUBLED. A 100% increase over last winter.

The $250 heat bill has doubled to $500-600. We have also seen similar runaway escalations elsewhere in the country, with the East hit especially hard.

Many states, including Montana, have restraints on utilities that stop them from cutting off electricity and heat during the winter freeze, to avoid all these disturbing headlines about poor people freezing to death. But starting in about April, the restraints come off and the final disconnect notices go out. It is pay-up or CHOP, off with your head.

It has been reported that in one state, about 18,000 final disconnect notices have gone out, and here, as I have been informed, both gas and electricity are from the same utility, one HUGE bill. These people can’t shuffle the walnut shells around on the table any more... giving the greedy gas company some, and the electric company a little when they haven’t got enough money to pay both. For them, their enemy is a single monster, and it wants its blood money NOW. The party is OVER.

Let’s look at the effects on two groups of people.

For the wealthy, a small group, it doesn’t matter how much the utilities go up. The bills can double, triple, or even increase ten-fold, and it is still less than 1% of their income. So they might grumble a little, but in the final analysis just make out the check and go on with their lives as though nothing happened, as they always do.

The much larger group, which is most households, is heading into severe financial distress. Mortgaged to the hilt, carrying a heavy load of credit card debt at usuruious interest rates, they have up until now been squeaking by from month to month... but still had a little “discretionary income” left over each month. Not any more. The former winter heat bill of, say, $400 per month to heat the house is suddenly now $800 to $1,000; and they have to pay. There is nowhere to run; no wiggle room, no weaseling out. And next winter according to some estimates, the utility bills are going to double yet again.

These families cannot wave a magic wand and suddenly increase their income by an additional $500, or next year $1,000 to pay these utility bills. Indeed, they’d better hope a job is not lost, for if it is, they will be even worse off.

The process has already started, and we will see the cumulative effects of all this begin to set in with a vengeance this summer. Here is what is happening RIGHT NOW in families across America:

-- No more money to go out to dinner in a restaurant.
-- No more money to call up and send out for pizza.
-- No more money to buy new clothes.
-- No more money for the new car payment. It will be repossessed.
-- No more money to go out to the movies.
-- No more money for lunch at work. It’s back to fixing peanut butter sandwiches at home and bringing lunch in a paper bag.
-- No more money for the summer vacation drive in the car to Yellowstone Park or elsewhere. Plans CANCELLED.
-- No more money for motels, restaurant meals, knick-knacks or whatever else might have been purchased on the trip. All CANCELLED; no longer affordable.
-- No more money for airline tickets. Vacation CANCELLED.
-- No more money to buy a new car. Planned purchase CANCELLED.
-- No more money to even fix the old car.
-- No more money to remodel the house. All renovations CANCELLED.
-- No more money for needed medical care.
-- No more money for needed prescription drugs.
-- No more money to heat the house at a comfortable level; the thermostat has to be set at 55-60 degrees and so the whole family is shivering and sneezing. Since there is no money to pay for medical care or medicine -- which unless you have insurance has all become CASH IN ADVANCE OF SERVICES, a family member gets sick and dies, leading to another crisis:
-- No more money for a Funeral, and all the credit cards are already maxed out. So the family has to dig a hole in the back yard and bury Gramma themselves.
-- No more money for holiday gifts, parties and celebrations. Other than the wealthy, most people haven’t much to celebrate about anyway. Thanksgiving dinner CANCELLED. Christmas 2001 CANCELLED.

January 2002: Having held off as long as possible hoping Christmas spending would save them [didn’t happen,] stores start to close en masse, like rows of dominoes tipping over. Hundreds of thousands of workers are laid off. Unemployment figures begin to rise steadily, heading towards 20% and then, during 2003, to 30%.

With their utilities finally cut off completely and huge balances owing, thousands of people freeze to death in their homes as Winter 2002 sets in with a vengeance. The quantity of dead bodies lying about as a result of people being unable to afford funerals begins to become a health hazard in many cities, and the authorities are forced to have pickup trucks drive slowing through neighborhoods, with loudspeakers proclaiming: “BRING OUT YOUR DEAD! BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!”

To Be Continued.


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Greg Anderson
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I know people like Roger Ebert continually lament the lack of unionized projectionists. And we can't change history... but I can only speculate. If the projectionist trade today were as heavily unionized as it was, say, 20 years ago, then I just wonder how things would be different today. No doubt there would be far fewer multiplexes to choose from and the price of seeing a movie would be a lot higher. Would it be worth it, considering the product Hollywood is pushing on us these days?

Just speculating...

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Darryl Spicer
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Ok this subject has jumped to yak. Just where in Kentucky do the same utilities have both gas and eletricity or did I just read that wrong. Not where I live anyway we have Kentucky american water co., Kentucky Utilities for electric and Columbia gas for natural gas.

Right now I worry about this about as much as I worry about postage stamps going up. You know the great depresion started because people talked too much and started drawing there money out of the banks. Plus the big dust bowl that killed all the crops and put the farmers in the worst of times. A lot of lessons were learned back then to help prevent that from ever happening again.

As far as I know we could be dead tomorrow. We must live today and be cautious of false prophecies of the future. When people make hasty predictions they can do more harm than good.

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Will Morrow
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What the gentleman who wrote the "Bring out your dead..." article forgot about, was the undying human spirit. Masses of dying families would never happen in the US. Contrary to how things appear now, Americans will come together in time of need. You forgot to factor that into your DOOMS DAY prophecy. I think it should be included, and again, it all continues and the cycle will run its course. We call it life. :-) And I love it.

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Rick Long
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 - posted 04-13-2001 11:46 PM      Profile for Rick Long   Email Rick Long   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think Will summed it up nicley.

I respect the men and women of this forum for their technical expertise and experience, and am very grateful to all of them for their advice in matters pertaining to projection equipment and practices.

That said, to be perfectly honest, if I want an economic forecast, there are lots of web-sites that have their own breed of experts that deal in financial matters.

While I have no problem with anyone expressing an opinion about anything, I tend to agree with Darryl that perhaps this should be moved to the "Yak" forum. I often use this site to reference past posts and find non-projection posts an annoyance.


If I may, a very short observation on unions. I was a union projectionist and am a union technician. I have served as president and business agent of a small, now-defunct local. Unions came into being to correct some unfairness as well as dangerous conditions existing in booths handling nitrate film. At the time they were conceived, they served a usefull purpose.

Back during the days of two-projector booths with change-overs and carbon arcs, it was necessary to have a person to oversee the operation constantly. Highly flammible film made it even more necessary.

Xenon lighting, automation, safety film, even tape splicers, combined with severe competition for the entertainment dollar, have changed theatre economics and projection-room practices beyond what we could have imagined back then.

Things just ain't the way they were, and ain't never gonna be again. Maybe it is time some of us began to wake up to that.

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John Eickhof
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Jerry, I have been an upstanding member of the IATSE since April 1, 1979. I am like Mark, in the service business, however I have pulled many a shift as an operator too. If it was not necessary for me to keep up Union status at this time, (I have military contracts) I would have stopped paying dues years ago. The IATSE has moved it's primary
needs to those of the studio & broadcast industries. The IA operator is a passing thing! Unfortunately, as a service technician, I do not qualify for many of the benifits the union provides it's working operators. I have personally known Mark for about 20 years now and I want you to know his standings on unions in no way reflects his professionalism and how he conducts life in a personal matter! I am proud to consider him my friend, and choose to pass your comments to the circular file! Remember, it is not wise to judge a book by it's cover! There is always something different inside!

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Paul G. Thompson
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Well said, John.


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Robert Golding
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I had a very close friend, who has departed recently, that was a projectionist during the Great Depression. He worked and the theatre's stayed open. They took food, chickens, etc. for admission. When the economy gets bad people will still go just to get away and have a good time. If it ever gets that bad again, we will survive and eat because of our beloved patrons. I've found that things get better at the Drive In during recessions. Anyway just a thought.

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Brad Miller
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Wasn't sure whether to move this to Yak or not, but as of the direction of the discussion, am now moving it. Please continue the discussion there.

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Randy Stankey
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I think one thing that people don't consider here is that movie projectors are nothing more than a specialized form of industrial process. It's just a collection of motors, gears and electronic gizmos. If you can operate /repair a movie projector with any kind of skill you ought to be able to transfer those skills to just about any other kind of machine.

If all the movie theatres closed down today and I was out of work, I'd go looking for a job in places like plastics shops, etc. It's just about the same technology, just in a different application. Of course there would be a learning curve to overcome but I have confidence in myself enough to believe that I can do it.

Besides I'm not going to lay down and die that easy. If my company decided to fire all of it's projection people today, I'd hit the road and start looking for work in other independant theatres. I know that there are MANY smaller theaters looking for help. If I got myself about 1/2 dozen places all within a day's drive of each other I'd have the makings of a nice little business going.

Unions: I have no problem with them. If my company was unionized, I'd be in the union. I take pride in doing my JOB, not to what organization I belong to. People who know me understand that I got where I am because I work hard, do the best job I know how to and I don't take no crap from people. I know what you are going to say: Without unions the company doesn't have to put any value in it's workers. They can just get 10 more people like you to do the same job for 1/2 as much $$. Well, again my secret is to be "indespensible". You have to teach people that if you weren't doing what you do, the company would be at a disadvantage. I know that there are a lot of cheap companies out there that don't value hard work but you know that those are the ones that won't be around for long anyway. I wouldn't work for a place like that.

Essentially this is all just "Economic Darwinism" -- The strong will survive.

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Rick Long
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Randy said:

>>If my company decided to fire all of it's projection people today, I'd hit the road and start looking for work in other independant theatres. I know that there are MANY smaller theaters looking for help. If I got myself about 1/2 dozen places all within a day's drive of each other I'd have the makings of a nice little business going.<<

Getting a little of topic here, this brings up a question of ethics. I have often been approached either by phone or face-to-face by the owners of small theatres, asking if I could do a little "work on the side" for them. I have always taken the view that, since the company for which I work pays me to work for them, whether in good times or in bad, it would be morally unethical for me to go "semi-independant" and do work outside the company's control. Of course, I do suggest to these owners that they approach the manager of our company about the service they require, and perhaps realize savings by splitting expenses with one of the major chains I may be servicing in their area.

Your reputation travels with you, and you may be hunted by these independants to whom saving money is of paramount importance.

It goes without saying that the inherent problems this would create are enormous. What if, for example, you get paged both from one of your company's customers and one of your own; which one do you handle first? If a part is needed to service on of your own customers and you happen to know that it resides in the warehouse of your company, what do you do?

I am interested as to the opinions of the technicians who work for privately-owned companies, and their attitudes towards this.

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For me, I am not quite in that situation you describe, but I'll answer anyway. What I am referring to is that I hold a 2 night a week projectionist job at a chain for fun, but all of my tech work is done privately and not for any specific chain. Thus, all of my equipment and parts are personally owned. With that being said, I have only been in the situation of needing a part that I did not have a few times and in every instance another theater I serviced had it. I simply called up the owner of the independent (or small chain) theater and told him/her the situation. In every instance the answer was "sure no problem", as I promised to have a new part overnighted come the next Monday to replace it. Sooner or later that person will get the favor re-paid back to him when he is in need. If I cannot locate the necessary part that I need, I would most certainly call up the chief engineer for the chain theater I do projection work for and see if he had the part I could borrow for a day or two. While this has not yet happened, he has borrowed various parts and even a digital system once when in a pinch and I was and still am more than happy to help out anytime that I can. I am sure he would be happy to return the favor if I ever get in the need as well. The basic rule of thumb here is to have the new part shipped straight to the person/theater you borrowed it from as soon as possible.

The interesting question that has not been asked yet is would you loan out parts or perform service to a theater whom you did not work for and have a 99% chance of never working for? I have and still do quite frequently. Fortunately I have never been burned, for I have loaned out somewhat high dollar items like intermittents and digital systems...sometimes to the direct competition. Is this a good thing or not? Well, I am sure there are valid arguments for both, but I have always received the parts back in good condition with no damage and have never charged anyone in that situation for the help. You never know who you will end up working for and in a few instances it brought me future business which I would have otherwise never had. Plus, there is no need to create enemies, even if it is "that theater across the street". Just being on good enough terms to borrow a couple of boxes of Coke syrup has in more than one instance gotten me through a busy weekend back in my managing days.



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Randy Stankey
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No company can do much to stop you from "visiting" your "friends", even if they work at another theatre, can they?

As long as you don't use "company property" for outside uses, or at least get permission before you do, again there isn't much they can do, is there?

In my short time working down here, there have been at least three instances where I have been asked to "take a look" at somebody's projection equipment for one reason or another. I'm always glad to do it. I just make sure that "The Company" comes first.

If you find yourself "freelancing" on the weekends, etc then I might advise these people that if you get called, you are going to have to run. It's the only fair thing to do, really.

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Kevin Crawford
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There is a recession coming. But I don't think it will go into a depression.

On the topic of Unions, they do serve a purpose. In the past, they did fight for employees rights as well as for a living wage. Unfortunately, John is right, that the IA does not seem to care for our trade anymore. But that is another topic.

As for hiring a Union Member, it does not mean that you will get a good operator that knows anything. Few locals offer training. I was fortunate that the local that I am a member of, had several great operators as well as a couple of technicians, that took the time to teach me.

On the topic of working for other companies, I say go for it. I personally last year was working for 6 companies. There was my full time job as an operator, as well as "whoring" myself out on the side to the other companies. Brad is right though, make sure that you put your primary employer first. They will remember if you put someone else first and it won't help you. But there is nothing wrong with working for someone else on your own time.

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I supported the union for many years before I took a withdrawl card. Because of the industry dumping union operators like dead fish in a packing plant, it was no longer financially practical for me to maintain my card.

Too many operators were jobless. It seemed like the handwriting on the wall said there was no future in the projectionist locals, which were also dropping like flies.

It was a sad thing for me to see. I guess it was just a sign of the times. When I was President of Local 351, it was like watching one of your children die, and I was helpless. I had no choice but to initiate a merger with Bellingham, which later merged with the Seattle Local.


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