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Andy Muirhead
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 - posted 12-17-2001 06:09 PM      Profile for Andy Muirhead   Email Andy Muirhead   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Another point - why is 'dyslexic' so hard to spell? I think someone was having a laugh!

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Leo Enticknap
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 - posted 12-18-2001 07:06 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In the WWII comedy The Goose Steps Out, Will Hay plays an English spy who is sent into Nazi Germany and ends up as a teacher in a Hitler Youth training school. This is really an excuse for a set-piece scene in which he's trying to explain to the Nazis why certain English words aren't pronounced like they're spelt, e.g. 'Thames', 'Slough' and 'Plough'. Needless to say he becomes thoroughly confused and loses the plot, and the scene finishes with Hay teaching the Nazis how to make a V-sign, explaining that is 'The English mark of respect for our glorious führer'.

As for 'centre', I guess we have William the Conqueror to thank for that one (the French have the same word, spelt the same way and with the same meaning).

The thing I find hard to understand about American English is why it often turns nouns into verbs by adding the suffix -ize, e.g. 'burglarize'. I mean, why use a word to the effect of 'perform the act normally associated with a burglar' - surely 'burgle' does the job just as well?


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Dick Vaughan
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Just this morning a North American colleague of mine suggested that we needed to "diarize" more. They said that this meant to make sure upcoming events were entered in to a diary.

I thought diarize was a loperamide based medication to stop the violent gastric effects of too many pints of Guinness and a very hot curry!

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Dave Bird
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 - posted 12-18-2001 07:50 AM      Profile for Dave Bird   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Bird   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I find many spell lose - loose. The one I hate the most is buses, it looks like FUSES to me, why don't they spell it busses?

Here in Canada, we're caught in the middle, we spell the Queen's English, but words like "burglarize" are becoming commonplace.

Just heard a study the other day, that Canadian kids have vastly improved their world ranking in spelling and grammar. Bad news is:
it is greatly declining. It seems all over the world, including the leaders in Britain and Japan, kids just aren't being expected to learn it anymore. They're abandoning the classics for more "current" literature, which frequently contains poor grammar.

Crikey Vern, if them thar Brits ain't gonna study no more, how's we
gonna learn us are spellun?

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Tao Yue
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 - posted 12-19-2001 01:09 PM      Profile for Tao Yue   Author's Homepage   Email Tao Yue   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Those of you who speak the Queen's English -- what's the British equivalent of "alphabetize?" A Britisher (strangely enough, this is the American English word for Briton) once said, "'alphabetize' is such an American word." The comment about the "ize" makes sense here, but I can't think of the equivalent of "burgle" for this word.

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Craig Hanham
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 - posted 12-19-2001 06:48 PM      Profile for Craig Hanham   Email Craig Hanham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ahh spelling a good topic.
Aren't most of the common mistakes due to poor typing skills and the late hour of the day when logged on.Personally I find that I can hit up to 3 keys at once if I don't concentrate.
As for the difference in the spellings between American and english this is the product of Mr Samuel Johnson(? if my senility isn't playing up)and his American Dictionary of the mid 1800's as a tangible way to break from 'the imperial Yoke'.
The 'funny' spellings and gramatical rules in English are due Anglo-Saxon being Germanic, the spellings contrived by French scribes and the Grammar being set to Latin Rules by the clergy, as well as other strong influences over the millenia, no wonder its confused.

Well Linguistics lesson over. Great topic with lots of neat history.


Pet hate: "have got" looks ugly, sounds worse. Only need "have"

Wishing all a Merry Syphilis and a Happy Gonorrhea

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 12-19-2001 10:30 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Perhaps we use "burglarize" since "burgle" sounds silly. Listen to it. Doesn't it want to make you giggle? "Burglarize" sounds more menacing. I've never heard the word "Diarize". If some one said that in the US they'd get looked at strangely.

By the way, what is the purpose of a King and Queen anymore? What does she do? Isn't that Tony Blair fellow calling the shots? Can the Queen have him beheaded? People like Sean Connery have been knighted. Do they ever suit up and go into battle? That would be entertaining!

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Leo Enticknap
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If only The Queen could have Tony Blair beheaded! Mind you, I suspect there are certain members of her own family who she'd like to do first... In terms of a political function she does bugger all, though constitutionally she's above Parliament. So in theory, if there were a constitutional crisis (let's say for example that Blair decides to close down Parliament and run the country like a dictator), she could overrule the whole government and make executive decisions herself. Some extremist supporters of the monarchy argue that this is an important constitutional safeguard against the abuse of power by an elected government gone bad, but I don't think anyone seriously believes that this is ever likely to happen. In reality her function is ceremonial and as a tourist attraction.

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Greg Mueller
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Diarize: What happens after you drink the water in some countries

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Mike Blakesley
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Another one: I hate when people are going to 'pour' over the article whatever. 'Pour' what? It's PORE, dammit!

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Bob Maar
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That's a "POOR" example. A better one would be let me "pore" over it before they "pour it out.

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Richard C. Wolfe
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 - posted 12-21-2001 12:33 AM      Profile for Richard C. Wolfe   Author's Homepage   Email Richard C. Wolfe   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK then... why theatre instead of theater?

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Sean McKinnon
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 - posted 12-21-2001 12:43 AM      Profile for Sean McKinnon   Author's Homepage   Email Sean McKinnon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Theatre=Movie Theatre, movies hall

Theater=Legit Theater, plays, musicals, etc...

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James Robertson
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 - posted 12-21-2001 02:56 AM      Profile for James Robertson   Email James Robertson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What a can of worms I opened when I started this thread.

Here's something else to chew on. The use of the word "hone" when the correct word is "home" e.g. to "home in" on something not "hone in' and an even better word "fulsome" a horribly misused word incorrectly used instead of "laudatory". In case anyone thinks I'm just a smart arse-not so-I'm just a big fan of language and am glad to find a few fellows who appreciated English as what it should be speaked

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Greg Mueller
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"....Theatre=Movie Theatre, movies hall
Theater=Legit Theater, plays, musicals, etc..."

I've always found it to be the opposite in the western Washington area

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