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Joe Beres
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From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
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 - posted 04-03-2002 10:32 AM      Profile for Joe Beres   Email Joe Beres   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John,
I'm sure many Film-Techers will agree that your participation at Film-Tech is very much appreciated and respected, and that is an understement. I think also that your participation, like that Karen @ DTS, should serve as a model for any and all manufacturers, suppliers and equipment companies. You prove that you and your company stand behind your product and that it matters that the end users can use it to its full potential. Thanks for caring!

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David Stambaugh
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 - posted 04-03-2002 11:17 AM      Profile for David Stambaugh   Author's Homepage   Email David Stambaugh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
the kind of people who refuse to register and participate would be too frightened to use their real names anyway

Exactly Man says: Exactly.

There are probably several times as many silent lurkers as active participants. Among the lurkers are equipment manufacturers, cinema circuit execs, theater managers, etc. Oh yeah, they are here, probably in droves. Some of them despise film-tech because sometimes unkind things are said about them and they find such comments threatening. In their circle of associates, they defend themselves and deflect critical comments by painting film-techers as whiners, uninformed, grudge-carrying ax-grinders not interested in facts or the "real world", etc. They can't acknowledge that film-tech is about raising the bar of presentation quality, because to do so means openly discussing the problems of their industry. Wouldn't want to do that.

Of course the reason I can say this is I'm not in the industry so I can't get fired.


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Chad Souder
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Call me dumb, but wouldn't anything written here be kinda protected by our beloved first amendment, and therefore be grounds for a wrongful dismissal if someone was fired (unless there was a specific clause in their work contract about conduct unbecoming blah blah blah...). And I'm not sure requiring registration to look at things would help, you could just make up an identity anyway. I would like to think that the lurkers are a good thing, and that maybe they'll learn something today they didn't know yesterday, which is the best any of us can hope for. Needless to say, everyone's participation here is valued, whatever their contribution to the mix of this speciality site.

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"Asleep at the switch? I wasn't asleep, I was drunk!" - Homer Simpson

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David Stambaugh
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For clarity, I didn't mean to suggest that all lurkers are anti-film-tech. Those people are probably in a small minority. There are undoubtedly many many more lurkers who are just interested in learning something new to help them in their daily work (or like me, they are just interested), but for whatever reason choose not to be active participants.

If you're working because you have to (which is almost everyone), you may think twice before painting yourself into the "Look at me, I'm a troublemaker!" corner with your employer. I can say in all honesty if I were working for, say, Regal or Cinemark, whose presentation I often criticize (and occasionally praise) here, I would probably temper my comments or not talk about presentation at all, for fear of drawing negative attention. Yes, ideally they should welcome constructive criticism because it can help them improve their product. But that's in Perfect World.



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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 04-03-2002 05:32 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
No private forum can fall under the "free speech" law. Why? Because it is private and moderators can delete posts for any reason they want. And there is nothing that anyone can do about it. But this doesn't seem to be a huge and heavy issue here at Film-Tech.

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David Stambaugh
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RE: "Wrongful Dismissal". At least here in Oregon, most employment situations are legally designated as "At Will" and either party may terminate the employment agreement at any time for any reason whatsoever, or for no reason at all. New employees have to sign a document stating their understanding and agreement to this concept when they hire on.


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Leo Enticknap
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 - posted 04-04-2002 05:54 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Chad: because the Internet is (i) largely unregulated and (ii) not based on traditional geographical or political boundaries, the legal system as a whole is not, IMHO, geared up to deal with the expression of opinions, thoughts and beliefs online in the same way that it is through other media.

Sorry if that sounds a bit vague - here's a 'for example'. Let's say that I wrote a highly critical post about an product manufactured and sold in the UK which Brad allowed to appear on this site. The manufacturer reads the post and believes my criticisms to be unjustified because they are based on false information, a misunderstanding of what that product is supposed to do or another serious material difference. (S)he then has a number of options. 1 - ask Brad to remove the post. It's his site, running on his equipment and therefore his decision. What if he says no? I guess that option 2 would be for that hypothetical UK company to go all the way to Texas, hire a US lawyer and try to get a court order for the post to be removed. That would be far too expensive for many small companies. Option 2 - go to all the ISPs operating in the UK and ask them to block Film Tech. That would mean contacting hundreds of organisations and would to all intents and purposes be impossible.

Finally, they could just sue me, which I'm pretty sure is what they'd do. This is exactly what happened recently with www.friendsreunited.co.uk - a site which enables you to make contact with people you were at school with and have lost contact. Someone wrote a post alleging that one of their former teachers was a paedophile - that teacher found out about it, sued the individual and won substantial damages. He didn't even bother with the website owners.

So in this country at least, a precedent seems to have been established whereby an individual is responsible for what he or she publishes on the Internet, not the site operator or ISP. Incidentally, this is different from other media: for example, the case under the Obscene Publications Act when Lady Chatterley's Lover was published was directed against the publisher, not the author.

But there's another aspect to this as well. I sometimes read Film Tech from home in the evenings, but mostly read it at work during coffee breaks and stuff. Were I to post something which could incur civil or criminal liability, my employer would have a pretty good case for alleging that I'd bought it into disrepute. After all, click on the 'who' button above this post and you'll get my work details. I suppose I could try and avoid this possibility by describing myself as a private individual and never mentioning my professional life on this site, but as the whole point of this site is mainly to discuss work practices, this would kind of defeat the object of the exercise.

I'm not trying to say never criticise anyone or anything, but just that it's necessary to think about whether that criticism is constructive or not, and if so to ensure that it's fair and that every effort has been made to ensure that it's based on accurate information.

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David Favel
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 - posted 04-04-2002 05:06 PM      Profile for David Favel   Email David Favel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Call me dumb, but wouldn't anything written here be kinda protected by our beloved first amendment,

But if I was to sue you for slandering my beloved Vic 10, New Zealand does not have the First.

Would you still be safe?

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