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Jonathan Worthing
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From: Hereford, UK
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 - posted 07-12-2002 04:52 AM      Profile for Jonathan Worthing   Email Jonathan Worthing   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I know that it was a terrible thing to happen due mainly to stupidity, but I cant believe that people think that stupidity deserves the death penalty.

If that is so there would be a lot of people on death row.

What is the mental state of this woman.

There are people in this world who abuse children. All they get is counciling, not the death penalty & they a fully aware of what they are doing.

Death is not the answer.

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Brooks M. Davies
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 - posted 07-12-2002 05:27 AM      Profile for Brooks M. Davies   Email Brooks M. Davies   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
send her down here to tx im sure somebody hear knows what to do with her.......

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Jason Burroughs
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 - posted 07-12-2002 06:32 AM      Profile for Jason Burroughs   Email Jason Burroughs   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Annother similar instance happned 2 days ago in Ft. Worth, TX
We had at least 3 children die from being left in the car in the D/FW area last year alone.

From the Dallas Morning News:
Last modified: 03:12 PM CDT on Thursday, July 11, 2002


Mother charged in baby's car death
07/11/2002

By JIM DOUGLAS / WFAA-TV


The mother of the 9-month-old boy who died of heat exposure surrendered to Fort Worth police Thursday morning.

27-year-old Jessica Estrada says she accidentally left her son, Lorenzo, in the car Tuesday morning.

She is charged with criminally negligent homicide, which is the lowest classification of a felony charge.

Ms. Estrada arrived at the jail surrounded by her family and clutching what appeared to be a baby blanket. She was escorted by a Fort Worth police detective.

A short time later, Ms. Estrada posted a $2,500 bond and left the building with her family.


The National Safe Kids Campaign, in reviewing records since 1996, found at least 150 children have died from heat stroke after being left in a vehicle. Nine out of 10 of the victims were age 3 and younger.



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Gracia L. Babbidge
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 - posted 07-12-2002 03:15 PM      Profile for Gracia L. Babbidge   Author's Homepage   Email Gracia L. Babbidge   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jumped up freaking weenie bean!
What is wrong with these parents?!

Leaving small children unattended is one way to ask for something unsavory to happen!

...am I the only person that thinks truly stupid people really shouldn't be allowed to reproduce?

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Rachel Gilardi
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 - posted 07-12-2002 07:29 PM      Profile for Rachel Gilardi   Email Rachel Gilardi   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
People like this stupid bitch piss me off. They don't know how lucky they are... Is it fair that there are so many couples out there trying to have kids that would be great parents when there is a person in the world like this lady? I personally do not believe in capital punishment but it is people like this that are slowly changing my mind.

BTW Brad, yes it can take up to 3 hours to get your hair done. If she was dying and highlighting or getting braids done it can easily take that long. But the real question is: Why didn't she just take them in with her???


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Bob Brown
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 - posted 07-12-2002 10:19 PM      Profile for Bob Brown   Author's Homepage   Email Bob Brown   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh, BTW....It has been reported that this "person" is pregnant!!!


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Jason Black
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 - posted 07-13-2002 11:18 PM      Profile for Jason Black   Author's Homepage   Email Jason Black   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jonathan,

So what happens when this dim wit, or another like her, harms another child through random acts of freekin stupidity????????
Send the bit** my way, I'll flip the switch in a skinny minute...

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Jason Black
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If she's pregnant again, I'll pay for the doctor to, well, let's not talk about that here...
I'll fund the adoption process as well if need be.
This ignorant bitch can lay there and spread 'em but forget to take care of her child? That's not true ignorance.. that's sheer friggin sorryness. Yeah, I'm mad. This is far to common an occurance these days. Accountability should be DEMANDED. I'll stop my rant before I wind up offended too many others...


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Jonathan Worthing
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I think that the USA should consider clearing some of the thousands of people on death row like the night stalker who has been sat there for 10 years & counting.

Also this story started with shock of two children being killed by a stupid woman. We now people a saying she should have a termination, which is a lot closer to murder than stupidity.

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Leo Enticknap
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 - posted 07-17-2002 08:30 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If I understand it correctly, the US states which impose the death penalty only do so for first degree murder, i.e. a deliberate and premeditated act of killing. This woman was stupid and reckless beyond belief, but she did not set out to kill her children.

I oppose the death penalty for two reasons: firstly, if you execute an innocent person then you can't reverse that process, and secondly because it is contradictory to have a law which says that premeditated killing is wrong unless the government does it. Those who oppose the first argument would point out that if executing one innocent person saves far more innocent lives (either becuase of a deterrant effect or because a murderer cannot reoffend after being executed), then that's a net gain.

But opposing the death penalty does not mean being soft on criminals. I've often thought that some of Britain's nastiest murderers lead a far too comfortable life in jail. If I had my way I would lock up the likes of Myra Hindley and Harold Shipman in an underground jail in a remote location, in solitary confinement (i.e. no visitors, no TV, ever), for the rest of their natural lives.

As for this awful woman, she should certainly be locked up for a very long time. But ultimately we have to recognise that what she did is not as 'bad' as if she'd deliberately set out to kill her kids.


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Steven Privett
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 - posted 07-17-2002 10:28 AM      Profile for Steven Privett     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
what about the people that saw the kids in the car and did nothing about it? Kids locked in a car for three hours, someone had to walk by and see them. How do those people sleep?
As for the guilty mom, she should find a body of water and just walk right into it. Do the world a favor.

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