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Mike Schindler
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 - posted 08-31-2002 06:19 PM      Profile for Mike Schindler   Email Mike Schindler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Don't forget about Fuqua's masterpiece, THE REPLACEMENT KILLERS. That's the type of movie that THE MATRIX and all of its rip-offs just try so hard to be. And they never are.

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Dave Williams
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 - posted 09-01-2002 12:24 PM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I saw the replacement killers. Are you asserting that the MATRIX ripped off the replacement killers?

Let me make a couple of points here;

1. There are only so many original ideas. To prevent anyone from ever using that idea again is ludicris, and to harass a film maker for doing so is silly. We would only have a few hundred movies, if that. To say that only one submarine movie can ever be made because all others would eventually be a copy, is just silly. A good idea should be explored over and over again, in different ways.

2. The replacement killers is not that original, but very good. I am sure that it stole from some other picture. Every good director learns the craft by watching films of other directors. The first early directors had nothing to go on, and if they succeeded, it was by pure moxy alone. They created the craft, and we are to this day copying what they did. Case in point, Metropolis. Try and make a film like that, and you just might succeed.

3. Even when you think you have found an original idea, think again. There is almost always a predecessor that inspired it. Great films come from good ideas, and not always do they come from the people that made the great film. Some inventions were great only because someone else toyed with it aftermarket. You think the inventor of the light bulb created what we have now? Of course not. You ask any person these days and most of them will not know who invented the bulb, but they will be able to identify who makes them "GE, WE BRING GOOD THINGS TO LIFE!". Great film comes from a try and try again effort. Some films just suck until the idea hits a high note in another film. Watch some Kirosawa (sic?) films and you may just find a huge influence in GL's early work.

Someday, even Starship Troopers could be made into a watchable film, minus the doogie howser element. And why didn't he die? I WANTED THAT SO MUCH!

Dave


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Mike Schindler
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Dave, I wasn't trying to say that THE MATRIX ripped off THE REPLACEMENT KILLERS. I don't think that THE REPLACEMENT KILLERS is respected enought to have been ripped off yet. I do think that THE MATRIX has been ripped off, though. And, like you said, that's not a bad thing. I agree with pretty much everything you said in your post. I feel the same way.

I'm not as well-versed in the Hong Kong action sub-genre as I should be, but from what I've seen, THE REPLACEMENT KILLERS, THE MATRIX, and pretty much every other action picture which is made today (with exceptions, of course) seems to have directly or indirectly ripped off Woo's A BETTER TOMORROW. But like you were saying, that picture has been improved upon by others, none more so than Fuqua with THE REPLACEMENT KILLERS. It is, without a doubt, the best action film to be made in the past five years. It may be the best action film since DIE HARD.

What I was trying to say in my last post was that films like THE MATRIX get a lot more credit than they should. What people loved about THE MATRIX was done a hell of a lot better in THE REPLACEMENT KILLERS. But this doesn't mean that I'm not waiting for someone to come along and make a better movie in that style. I am. Every time I see a somewhat promising trailer, I think, "OK, this is gonna be the movie that tops THE REPLACEMENT KILLERS." And then I'm always disappointed. The next picture that I think might have chance is THE TRANSPORTER. That trailer kicks ass. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

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Dave Williams
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From what I understand "the transporter" is written and produced by Luc Besson, and directed by Corey Yuen, the latest action director out of hong kong. He was the second unit director on THE ONE and KISS OF THE DRAGON, as well as the action director for XMEN.

Preview audiences give it a good rating, with great action sequences, with the standard Luc Besson story.

Dave

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David Favel
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Rated G

"Those who do not want to imitate anything, produce nothing."

--Salvador Dali


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Dave Williams
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 - posted 09-19-2002 01:21 AM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here is the latest word on the Superman project.

Director McG who walked out of production, still thinks he is directing the film.

HOWEVER..

The studio has hired Brett Ratner to direct. For those unfamiliar, he just released RED DRAGON. The script by JJ Abrams, of Alias fame, will cronicle superman from his early days to current. Jor El, while not yet cast, may be filled by Anthony Hopkins if Mr. Ratner has his way.

What happened to the "other" guy who played jor el? Oh yeah, hes fat now.

Dave

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Manny Knowles
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And he cost too much for only a few minutes worth of footage in the first one.

...and then he sued for compensation when footage (originally filmed for Superman: The Movie) was used in the prologue of Superman II so I'm guessing that they're "soooo OVER him."

Besides, would using him sell any tickets?

They oughta just scrap this troubled project and do a great "Smallville" movie.


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Mike Schindler
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Three hours ago, I was happy that Ratner was replacing McG. But then I watched FASTLANE. Now I think this news could not suck more if it tried.

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Aaron Sisemore
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well, it's about to suck even harder...

I learned last week that they managed to hire someone worse than Nic Cage to play Superman... Yes, they have signed KEANU REEVES...
Hopefully this is just a rumor... Say it isnt so...

The apocalypse must be near...

-Aaron


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Mike Blakesley
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That would be AWFUL. They should use another unknown, like they did with C. Reeve. A famous actor would have been distracting in the role. That was the key then, and it still is....the star of the movie should be Superman, not some actor playing him.


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Bobby Henderson
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Keanu Reeves is no Christopher Reeve. While he might be good in films like "Speed" or "The Matrix" he would be horribly miscast as The Man of Steel. Perhaps some old studio farts saw "The Matrix," got confused by the similarities in the Reeve/Reeves last names and shouted "he's not paralyzed! Green light the sequel!"

Speaking of "The Matrix" and which movies borrow from it or rip it off, I would say "The Matrix" actually steals a number of themes and ideas from "Dark City" (which I consider a superior film to "The Matrix").

Anyway, I think I'm out on the idea of Brett Ratner directing a Superman movie. But we'll see what he does with "Red Dragon". Having read the Thomas Harris novel, I'll be able to see just how credible or terrible an adaptation he does. If the replacement film for "Manhunter" is very well done then I might feel a little more comfortable about that dude being in the director's chair. Anyway, we'll see.

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Mike Schindler
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I just read something yesterday (I can't remember where) in which Ratner said that the Reeves rumor was false.

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Dave Williams
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The Keanu Reeves rumor is false. Ratner at this point has said that he wan't to find an unknown to go with, instead of some huge name. He feels that the strenght of the story should outwiegh the need to pay 20 mil to get some hot shot to don the tights.

Dave

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Mike Schindler
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"They oughta just scrap this troubled project and do a great "Smallville" movie."

I don't think that it's humanly possible to do a great SMALLVILLE movie.

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William Leland III
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If they ever make this Superman movie I will be very worried. Hollywood loves to make movies based on older movies and ruin them. look at all the movies that have come out in recent years. Do we really want another Superman movie done with 90% special effects and the other 10% on script and character development. No, also the biggest question is who would play Superman? look at the punk kid who played Vader in Star Wars II. how bad did he suck. so do we really wnt another superman. im saying no. also has anyone heard of Gene Hackamn playing Luthor?

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