To offer a more cartoony analogy, let's say I'm an anti porn crusader, but I sell porn movies with all the naughty content removed. I would still be providing the pornographers money to make their living and make more of their product. The Clean Flicks people are dummies, plain and simple. If you think a movie or TV show is going to be offensive (and the warnings will say) then don't waste your time watching and paying money to rent it. You'll get more of the same stuff, edited or not and things would never change.

The conversation regarding sex, violence and profanity in movies is interesting. I don't agree with Robert Allen's opinion that such things never added anything of dramatic substance to a movie. But I would agree there is a great deal of gratuitous violence and profanity in movies today. There's not really all that much in sexual content with many of today's mainstream releases. But the blood does flow rivers in many films.

A movie about war and the horrors of it, like "Saving Private Ryan" must show the blood, guts, oil, dirt, shit and filthy swearing that makes up the real reality of war. My father is a retired Marine who served in Vietnam and Beirut. He would consider any new "honest" war movie without the salty language and blood to just be total Walt Disney phoney baloney. My father (Charles Henderson) has written non-fiction books like "Marine Sniper" that describe the brutal detail of that world. And none of it is gratuitous.

To address profanity and its use in movies, that is really a tricky subject that few screenwriters really understand. I don't like it when a movie goes overboard with F-words and such. It is a good thing to use salty language to paint certain types of characters in certain types of environments. However, the writer has to keep in mind the effect it has on the audience. If there is too much swearing in a movie, then its impact just falls very very dull after awhile. It will eventually have a very negative impact against the quality of dialog in a script. Writing a movie is ALL about audience manipulation. You want to be honest about how you do it, so it doesn't come off as a cheap schtick. And too much profanity just turns into that: schtick.

One can look at great movies of the past, like "Double Indemnity" and find no curse words, but still hear some of the best written, most snappy dialog ever put into a script.

I would try to write as clean as I could and only enter in those curse words at a time where one would be warranted. In real life, if I walked into my house and found it ransacked or found a dead body in my living room, I might be very likely to speak out a few colorful metaphors. And even though many people have potty mouths in casual conversation, in a movie I wouldn't have the potty mouth stuff going on unless it was absolutely warranted.

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Fair use laws...It is not illegal for you to make a copy of a video or even a DVD to video as long as it is for your own home use.

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Albertsons food stores, with 46 stores in Utah carrying the clean flicks, have pulled them from the shelves, pending a new lawsuit filed monday, by the film studios, the directors guild, Speilberg, Redford, and others et al.

This is going to get messy. I hope that even if they don't win, they drain these damn fools of every penny they have.

The owners of Clean Flicks, say they have the financial backing of several millionaires, so they have cash to burn on this.

Why would anyone burn cash to go out of business? It's called stupidity, or religeon, take your pick.

I am not a religeous person, but I am spiritual. I think whatever god we may have, would not approve of what clean flicks is doing. It is theft, pure and simple. even if the studios get money for it, they are not getting the money they would otherwise be entitles, because clean flicks, and others, are making an unauthorized profit from these sales. They have no liscense to sell or market them. Just to go to media play and buy them is not good enough, because under law, the media play copies are for public sale, not for resale use.

As a former video buyer, we had to pay much more for rental copies than for sale copies. There was the lisencing issue. With edited versions created after market, there is no lisence issued to market, and therefore is illegal.

THERE ARE too many reasons why its wrong. It's art. Pure and simple.

A few years ago here in Utah, we got to hold onto Michealangelo's David for a while, but mormon protesters claimed it was pornography and wanted it covered up. I say mormon protesters, because they were mormon. I am one too. In church, we were told not to visit the statue, because it was an abomination.

I went, because it is art. It is history.

I loved saving private ryan. It is art. It is so realistic. To edit to make it pallatable? Do we edit real war now? Do we make it so blood doesn't spill? So daddy's don't die?

Now that Albertson's pulled the videos, I now shop there again. If they ever carry them again, I leave again.

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Didn't Speilberg edit guns out of a certain re-release?

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Since Spielberg made the original release, he reserves the right to decide on how the re-release is cut, for better or worse. Clean Flicks didn't make the movies they are editing, and they didn't discuss the editing with the filmmakers or owners of the "property".

I can change my mind, but you can't change my mind for me.

Not ANOTHER new photo...already!!??

Who do you have to know around here to get presto-change-o photos? Was this a quietly-added feature?

The photo rotation feature is available to "Premium Members" who pay the membership fee of $1456.99 a year. Premium Members receive changing forum pictures that load randomly, a free bottle of Filmguard, and a "Thanks for da ca$h" e-mail written personally for you by Brad Miller himself. So far only 3 members have signed up.

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