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Claude S. Ayakawa
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Michael,

I am very sorry for not replying to the question you asked me in January about Honolulu's Cinerama and Royal Theatre's Dolby installation because I only noticed it today.

When the Cinerama opened "STAR WARS", the film played in mono for many months because the Cinerama was only set up for regular meg for 70mm and 35mm films. It was not until the film had played for almost seven months when George Lucas was rumored
to have paid for the installation of Dolby Stereo equipment in this theatre. Now that the theatre was finally equipped to play films in Dolby stereo, a brand new 70mm print began its run and played for another seven months. By the time the Cinerama was able to play films in Dolby stereo, The Royal and the Royal Marina Twins was already Dolby equipped.

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Hugh McCullough
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Hi Leo.
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Presumably the bar was dropped after The Broadway (pub) opened next door
No, the cinema bar remained open until about 12 months before the Odeon closed. It was then turned into a childrens birthday party room. The Broadway Pub catered, at one time for the rowdy teenage, and early twenties crowd. It changed owners about 1996, and became a rather trendy place.
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Presumably the King's Palace is where the car park on the corner of The Broadway and Palmerston Road is now.
I am not sure about this. I understood that it was in the Arcade, now demolished, next to the Theatre.
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Michael Coate
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Michael,
I am very sorry for not replying to the question you asked me in January about Honolulu's Cinerama and Royal Theatre's Dolby installation because I only noticed it today.

Claude,
Thanks for the update.

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Leo Enticknap
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Unless I'm misremembering, the Arcade must have been on the site of that car park. I can't think of anything else between the back of the theatre and Palmerston Road. The Regal/Gaumont/Odeon, ABC and King's Palace all within fifty yards of each other must have led to a bit of 'friendly rivalry'!

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Bernard Tonks
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Hugh wrote,

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I fear that Allen Eyle's is mistaken. The Odeon, or Regal as it was then, opened in 1933. I have the Architects plate with the date, and some of the original plans dated March 1933.
Allen Eyle’s details however are correct in his Gaumont British Cinemas book. The Regal was opened in 1933 by County Cinemas, taken over by Odeon. Renamed Gaumont in 1949, renamed Odeon in 1962.

I remember going to the King’s Palace a couple of times in 1952, one hell of a dump. I did relief for 2 days at the Elite (ABC) in 1954, tiny box with Ross and RCA equipment. The box at the King’s Palace was larger which I saw empty after closure. The Elite which opened in 1920 was later modernised and renamed ABC, closed in 1983.

Sad to hear recently of problems at Kingston and Wimbledon with staffing and the automation. I was told that Odeon had the best working conditions and wages, a 35 hour week and proper overtime rates.

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Hugh McCullough
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Allen Eyle’s details however are correct in his Gaumont British Cinemas book. The Regal was opened in 1933 by County Cinemas, taken over by Odeon. Renamed Gaumont in 1949, renamed Odeon in 1962.
Do I assume that the Regal was taken over by Gaumont in 1937, but still retained the name Regal until Rank obtained the Gaumont circuit, and then the name was changed.

I went into the box of the Elite, or ABC as it was then called, sometime in the early 1970s. They had two FP20s and Peerless arcs.

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Bernard Tonks
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Hi Hugh,

I would think if Gaumont British Cinemas had taken over the Regal Wimbledon from the County circuit, they would have renamed it the Gaumont Palace at that time! (2nd word Palace was dropped a few years later by GB). ODEON no doubt retained the Regal name, as their own Odeon Theatre in Worple Road was planned or under construction. Sure this is correct, also there is Alan Eyles account.

In Farnborough Hampshire where I lived for a while, there were two County Theatres, the Rex and the Scala, which retained their names throughout ownership by Odeon Associated Cinemas.

A school friend of mine took up projection at the then Gaumont, Wimbledon in 1952. He often mentioned the chief projectionist, Alf Stagg. I have some knowledge of the original equipment if you have no record.

Regarding pictures of the Elite (ABC) and King’s Palace, perhaps the CTA would be a source if you put an advert in their magazine. I take it that there is nothing available from local newspapers.

BTW enjoying your website with much interest. I must send you some pics!

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Ray Faultless
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Just wanted to point out the very first Odeon was at Perry Barr in Birmingham. Opened in 1930 it turned to a bingo hall in the late 60's. It now stands empty and doing nothing

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Hugh McCullough
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Hello Bernard.
I shall have to get a copy of Alan Eyles book. It sounds interesting.
A friend of mine used to work with Alf Stagg at Wimbledon. Apparently he was a model train enthusiast, and sometimes built a track and had the trains running around the box. Sounds quite a character.
Any details of equipment would be most appreciated.
Regarding a photo of the Elite. I will try your suggestion of an advert in the CTA magazine. I did come across one photo, taken about 1955, but was unable to contact the owner as his e mail address did not work.
Glad that you like my web site. Please send me any photos that you think suitable.

Hi Ray.
I did not know that Perry Barr in Birmingham was the first Odeon to open. I always understood that the first Odeon was at Weymouth. The very first was going to be Kingston upon Thames, Surrey, but building was delayed because of legal trouble and it was not finished on time.

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Leo Enticknap
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At MOMI one of the exhibits featured a 1937 advert for Odeon Cinemas which mentioned that Perry Barr was the first one. The slogan at the end was 'BRITISH directorate, BRITISH capital, BRITISH labour'. It discreetly failed to mention British films, probably because Odeon hardly showed any!

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Bernard Tonks
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Hi Hugh,

I remember the exterior of the old Worple Road; Odeon very well but never went inside that one, maybe because I worked at the Odeon, Shannon Corner (New Malden) on the same release. I much enjoyed visiting the Gaumont many times. From memory the equipment was Super Simplex, Western Electric Mirrophonic sound, Peerless Magnarcs, Stelmar spots. Never noticed that any stage shows run there though.

Unless I’m mistaken I seem to remember seeing a long closed (1940s?) cinema named the Plaza, almost next door to Wimbledon Palais dance hall, later changed to a furniture store.

According to the 1947 Kinematograph Year Book, there was also the Town Hall Kinema. Perhaps this was wartime or earlier use. Might be worth you visiting to see the projection box although changed of use. I wonder if the local library has any history and pictures of cinemas past that you might have missed.

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Leo Enticknap
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I dimly remember the Civic Hall, right next to the town hall (between the southernmost platform of the station and the town hall, which is now the Centre Court shopping centre). It was a pretty big auditorium as I recall, and could well have had projection facilities, though I never saw any films there. I guess it was knocked down in the mid-80s, and would guess that Marks and Spencer now occupies that site.

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Bernard, have you ever thought about writing your own memoirs?! ou never cease to amaze me with the detail you recall, whereas personally I often have trouble remembering what I did yesterday!

Our library has an excellent local history section, included in which is a mine of information on the towns cinemas. None of which are now operational sadly, although a couple of buildings still remain. One is now a bingo hall and the other, where my downward spiral in this industry began, is boarded up and currently under threat of being reborn as an egyptian themed night club! I ask you! Las Vegas this town (sorry city now) is not.

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Bernard Tonks
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Leo,

Further to the Town Hall Kinema, Wimbledon. As you say it was a pretty big auditorium. In fact 1,394 seats, with a proscenium width of 35 feet, and stage 35 feet deep.

Pete,

Not sure if I could do that, although my family would like me to. I think I was fortunate to be interested in cinemas at a young age during the 1940s and working in the industry since 1952, and seeing so many changes from the days of nitrate film, fleapits, super cinemas, cine-variety, to name a few!

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Leo Enticknap
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Thanks, Bernard. Is that the same auditorium which later became Merton Civic Hall?

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