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Steve Kraus
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Personally? No, my screening room is just 35mm and I sold my hobby JJ long ago. I'm thinking of the next Ebertfest and/or the local art house. Both can handle either including DTS-SV.

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Leo Enticknap
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...and some of these new prints have been made directly off the original negatives resulting in very impressive image quality.

That will certainly give you a beautiful print, but using the camera negative to directly strike a release print is endangering the long-term preservation of a film. No film preservation professional would allow that to happen, certainly not in the case of a big-budget studio feature which remains a valuable commercial asset decades after its production, unless [s]he was ordered to from above.

Just imagine what would happen if your camera negative jammed in the printer and mangled a few feet, or a negative splice came apart, or a piece of grit became lodged in the printer and gouged an emulsion scratch! OK, you've got to take that risk in order to duplicate a film at all, but the camera neg - interpos - dupe neg - print sequence of generations is intended to reduce that risk by ensuring that the camera negative receives as few passes through a printer as possible.

If it is indeed true that very well known wide format productions are being printed straight from the original negative, this is surely very short-term thinking. OK, going through two more generations might add $10-20k to the cost, but isn't it worth that to insure against damage to a production which cost tens of millions of dollars?

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John Pytlak
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I certainly hope that if a studio is investing in a few new 70mm direct prints, they also are taking the opportunity to make a new 65mm protection master.

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Steve Kraus
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70mm EK prints: The secret weapon against the digital hordes.

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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When the now defunct Kuhio Theatre in Honolulu ran David Lean's "RYAN"S DAUGHTER" during it's first run engagement, the newspaer advertisment said nothing about the film was going to be shown in 70mm. In fact the way it was promoted, I had already resigned myself to watch the movie in this theatre in 35mm. Once the overture started, I knew I was in for a great treat because the sound was awesome and I knew I was not listening to four track mag on a 35mm print. As soon as the picture flashed on the screen after the overture, I was in 70mm heaven! The Kuhio was one of Honolulu's road show theatres but "RYAN'S DAUGHTER" was playing at regular prices in 70mm. "RYAN'S DAUGHTERS was one of the last films that was shot on 65mm film and shown in 70mm. There were a few other 70mm films after that but they were 35mm blow up with the exception of "FAR & AWAY", "HAMLET" and "BARAKA".

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Paul Linfesty
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There were a few other 70mm films after that but they were 35mm blow up with the exception of "FAR & AWAY", "HAMLET" and "BARAKA".

That's the understatement of the last century. There were far more than just a few 70mm films that were blow-ups from 35mm that followed Ryan's Daughter. MANY more.

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Michael Coate
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That's the understatement of the last century. There were far more than just a few 70mm films that were blow-ups from 35mm that followed Ryan's Daughter. MANY more.

That's for sure! Try: hundreds more....

Let's see...alphabetically....
Absolute Beginners
The Abyss
Adventures In Babysitting
Air America
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Altered States
Amadeus
Apocalypse Now
Back To The Future
....

Just kidding! I'm not going to list them all.


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Steve Kraus
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As for non-blowups, let us not forget TRON (Super Panavision) and Black Cauldron (Super Technirama). OK, that's not 65mm but it is still large format. And the brain recorder sequences of Brainstorm (Super Panavision).


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Paul Linfesty
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Would it be acceptable to refer to Technirama transfers to 70mm as "blow-outs"?

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Leo Enticknap
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...or even 'blow-jobs' (the ideal process in which to film Clinton - The Movie)?

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Lionel Fouillen
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65mm and VistaVision are often used for photographing special effects in order to maintain a good quality with composited shots. I've read that "Who framed Roger Rabbit?" had so many composited shots that, when analyzing the storyboard, they decided to entirely photograph it in VistaVision to make things easier.

Is it true that "Who framed Roger Rabbit?" was entirely made in VistaVision ?

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Steve Kraus
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No.

Edit:
I pulled my copy of Cinefex #35 to look more into this. A majority was done in VV but not all. Some of it was even in Super 35/1.85.


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John Pytlak
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AFAIK, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" used 8-perf 35mm for many of the effects shots:
here
here
here
here
here

In general, a larger format (VistaVision or 65mm) might often have been used for optical effects work so the graininess and sharpness of the EFX scenes were a better match to the "live action" photographed on 4-perf 35mm.

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