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Author Topic: Who do you Boycott & Why? Dave Williams Wet nipple scene Posts: 1836 From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-01-2003 10:38 PM                        Have to disagree with you Joe. The Two Towers really needed an intermission. My ass really hurt after two hours and I hated that I could not stand up and start.... well making my ass not hurt. Dave  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-01-2003 11:29 PM                     Dave, Go to the new Stadium 8 in Providence and see it. I guarantee your ass won't hurt after the showing there.......NICE seating! Yea, they do need to go back to intermissions though. I ahte to miss anything just to take a leak, or get a refill, or my 6th box of Goobers. I am more likely to bring in my own snacks so I don't have to get up and leave during long films. Perhaps you need one of those doughnuts to sit on that Hemmoroid suffer's use....... Mark  |  IP: Logged Sean McKinnon Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1712 From: Peabody Massachusetts Registered: Sep 2000 posted 01-02-2003 12:12 AM                        No GM's under 25? Why? I imagine that you must have had a personal bad experience with a young GM. I wont take it personally cuz im just a manager not a GM.... yet. I know Rachel was a GM at 21 so you may have to watch out for her!!!  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 01-02-2003 12:26 AM                        If I made a movie I'd be PISSED if it got an intermission I did not plan for just because Utah is too wimpy to handle it. Go to a nicer theater. I say theaters should have nicer seats instead of intermissions. I think most people are able to handle long movies. Look at Titanic. They may have whined in Utah (also probably whined because of the nudity, etc) but I didn't hear a peep from anyone here in Colorado. Unless a movie is well over 3 hours, I do not like intermissions. And if a movie is that long, then an intermission should be built in, with the scene fading out and an "Intermission" tag coming in, then fading out with the lights coming up, etc. Doing it at a reel change looks sloppy, half-assed, and unprofessional.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-02-2003 12:34 AM                     Gotta agree with Joe here, you should bump up that intermission to 3 hours 15 minutes (including ALL trailers and advertising). Otherwise some films will just never get to be played in Utah. Some producers and directors are weird that way. Also, you should place a fine on every single commercial advertistment shown before a movie. This fine should be at the governor's discretion, but not to be less than $10,000 per commercial shown which goes to the state and then a fine not to be less than $100 per paying customer that was in the auditorium.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-02-2003 12:29 PM                     Okay, let's see here: 1. This would lead to theaters not advertizing digital at all. And if you don't advertize digital, what would it matter if you used it or not? Those DTS discs left at the rewind bench would seem SO FAR AWAY to go get them all of the sudden. 2. Why have the R-Rated policy anyway? Why not just have G, PG, PG13, and NC17 then? There are plenty of mature people under 18 who behave themselves at the movies. And not letting them into an R feature, even with a parent, is absurd. Why do we need the MPAA ratings system if we're going to make our own rules? 3. A great idea, but how would this be enforced? Will the governor's office send out their own team of screen checkers to make sure standards are being followed? Who will pay for it? 4. Again, great idea, but how will this be checked? 5. This will never happen. Studios will probably end up waiting 3-6 weeks into a film's run before releasing anything to the state of Utah. 6. This is dumb. If someone is mature and qualified enough to be a GM at under 25, so be it. Personal gripes shouldn't encroach on your political platform. 7. 45 minutes is way too much. Our staff had Lord Of The Rings cleaned and ready to go on Saturday in 10 minutes. There's 15-20 between showings. 8. Again, I wouln't expect to see Utah getting any 2.5+ hour movies anytime soon after that. 9. Him and his crew? Does the theater get to impose a limit as to how large this crew can be? After all, they ARE losing hundreds of dollars just for the governor to enjoy himself at the movies. Sorry Dave, you don't have my vote as of now. I'll have to wait to see the debates, though! =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Mike Williams Master Film Handler Posts: 255 From: Knoxville, TN Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-02-2003 02:10 PM                     quote: Also, you should place a fine on every single commercial advertistment shown before a movie. That's a good idea.. but instead of a fine we could call it a tax. We could call it "The Rolling Stock Tax".  |  IP: Logged Dave Williams Wet nipple scene Posts: 1836 From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-02-2003 09:53 PM                        Sorry Thomas, you missed the point on why no minors to R rated films at the theaters. Here is why. Here in Utah we have a growing problem with youth getting out of control. Understand that here in Utah, we used to have a handle on this. However, parents are starting to believe that children as young as 3 should be allowed into the R movie with them, just because the MPAA says they can be idiot parents. I know this goes back to the Clintons, but it really does take a village to raise a child. If the parents are no longer willing to take proper responsibility for the future, meaning that our children, like it or not, are going to grow up and take over, then the government does have a responsibility to step in and start setting things straight. Before anyone starts with the jack booted thugs routine about government intrusion, remember that we have several instances and laws created for the betterment of our children. For instance, we do not allow minors into bars and get liqoured up, but we do not control what happens at the home. So this comes down to a "what is good for the public in general" solution. We prevent minors from attending public screenings of Adult themed material, but we do not stop thier parents from renting it and showing it to thier three year olds at home. Does this hurt the industry? No. In utah, R rated fare does not do traditionally well, and this is not forcing an editing of movies. This is just a public interest. If we tell the parents of Utah that this movie is not only appropriate for your youngster, but you are not going to get them in either. How does this prevent them from just showing it at home to thier kids? Well it doesn't, but like a waiting period to buy a gun, it provides a cooling off period. By the time it comes on video, the percentage of people that are going to show it to thier kids comes down. How can I prove that? Well that goes back to the original problem. The problem really isn't parents that WANT to show this to thier small children, it is parents too lazy or cheap to get babysitters. At the video point, they will usually wait to later hours to enjoy it, when they get the kids to bed. Its all a crap shoot any way you look at it. But if the MPAA, which we all claim to love and trust so much, says it is inappropraite for minors, then why the hell would we want them in there? Back when the MPAA was created and the ratings put in place, parents were more responsible then. They got sitters and went to the movies. Now not so much. They just take the kids along for the ride. So this comes to societal responsibility. Do we just say "hey its not fair, lets let the parents bring all thier kids cuz its thier right and we want thier money!!!', and let the countries children continue on this path? It is in the first six years of life that people learn thier value system. If the parents are unwilling to instill one in them, this country is better off just dying and becoming some sort of anarchy. Dave  |  IP: Logged Dave Williams Wet nipple scene Posts: 1836 From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-02-2003 10:02 PM                        And on the issue of intermissions, I can bend a bit. HOWEVER, Utah would not be passed up for films if we had different rules or laws. There are federal protections in place to prevent a studio or producer from keeping a film from an entire state. now as to forcing an intermission, I would be willing to bend on that one, instead I would allow a tax credit to theaters and studios who can come to an intermission aggreement. Thomas, there is a very huge problem with your argument that is is wrong to have intermissions without the director or producer deciding if there can be one... HERE IS WHY... Except for the DVD of Mulholland Drive, which contains no chapter stops.... The director and producer can only make a film, they can even decide its best presentation standard, but they cannot dictate how EVERYONE is going to see the film. Some will see it at home on DVD, even on PAN AND SCAN. To suggest that studios would even try and FORGO actual MONEY because we had some archaic rule that dictated intermissions, would be just silly. Studios continue to allow movies to be played at horrible cinemas and they dont seem to care about that. And besides, there used to be intermissions all the time. I just would like to have film be enjoyable for all who attend. Imagine someone suing the studio because thier bladder exploded, all because the movie was so intense they dare not leave! AND IT WAS SO LONG. Look, I am not suggesting putting anyone out of business, I am only suggesting improvements to our society as a whole, and to create a business friendly atmosphere that does NOT directly or indirectly try to destroy children at the hands of lazy irresponsible parents. Dave  |  IP: Logged Dave Williams Wet nipple scene Posts: 1836 From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-02-2003 10:07 PM                        And as far as not allowing personal feelings to get involved? Well in that case lets just let the whole world walk all over us and just say "thank you sir may I have another". Ok, maybe 25 is to round a number. How about 16? Old enough? So what constitutes OLD enough? Skill? Maturity? Knowledge? Would you upset if I wanted a return of the unions? Would YOU want an 18 year old telling you what to do? I know there are plenty of young and talented GM's UNDER 25. Just not in Utah. I am willing to let go of the 25 YO restriction. That's the advantage of having an OPEN mind. I can change it, or even... GASP... modify my own opinions... WOW!!! Really though, I am not crazy, just merely insane. Dave  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-02-2003 10:09 PM                     HEY! 3 posts in a row in under 15 minutes??? You're just trying to pad your posts there Mr. Dave! I know you are excited to get to 1000, but Joe is going to start docking 50 off of people's post count for every "double posting" to teach people to use that edit button.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 01-02-2003 10:11 PM                        When "THE RIGHT STUFF" was released many years ago, one of the Waikiki Twin theatres was offered a 70mm print but was not able to run it because Warner Brothers did not permit an intermission. I was told that the platter in this theatre was not large enough to hold the entire print and had to split it in order to run it. The Waikiki ran a 35mm print instead. Bummers! -Claude  |  IP: Logged Paul Linfesty Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1383 From: Bakersfield, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 01-02-2003 11:15 PM                     quote: When "THE RIGHT STUFF" was released many years ago, one of the Waikiki Twin theatres was offered a 70mm print but was not able to run it because Warner Brothers did not permit an intermission. Ironically, I saw this film at a first run theatre in Bakersfield in their 70mm house, with a 35mm print. AND, they stuck an intermission it, right after John Glenn said to his wife he would be the first in space. Another theatre stuck an intermission in Sophie's Choice. This wasn't that uncommon with local theatres back then.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 01-02-2003 11:28 PM                        A good friend who was vice president of theatre operations for Consolidated at the time told me that Warner Brothers had insisted that "THE RIGHT STUFF" play without a pause and that was what Faith dicided to do and passed on the 70mm. Faith was good about following orders from her superiors and that is the reason she was well liked. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-03-2003 01:51 AM                     While I agree that very young children (6 and younger) shouldn't be allowed into R features at all, I did not miss the point as that doesn't address those kids who are 13, 14, 15, 16 who may want to enjoy an R rated film with their parents or older friends. I saw "Good Will Hunting" at the age of 15. I heard "Fuck" 144 times, along with some sexual (*gasp*) dialogue. I'm still here, still alive and well, and 3 years into a college education. There was a case near the turn of the century (the older century, not this one ) regarding obscenity and the banning of certain reading material because it could "harm children" who read it. That case was thrown out for the simple reason that, if a law were created to ensure that books didn't contain material that wasn't suitable for children, everyone would be writing (and reading) at a child's level. quote: Thomas, there is a very huge problem with your argument that is is wrong to have intermissions without the director or producer deciding if there can be one... I see no problem, as I never made such an argument. And for the record: - I would be thrilled if Unions returned. - I would not have a problem with someone younger than me telling me what to do. As I have no problem with questioning something someone older tells me to do. It all depends on the situation. - I hate the MPAA. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged

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