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Author Topic: Charles Everett Vs. Miramax Film Corp. Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 01-20-2003 01:45 PM                        Thomas, in my personal opinion, nobody has made any sort of personal attack. In fact EVERYONE has based their posts on information provided by Mr. Everett himself, nothing more. Now if 'Miramax' was to register itself as a forum member, there's definetely someone who would fall under the category of 'personal attacks against other forum members'.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-20-2003 03:49 PM                     quote: Thomas, in my personal opinion, nobody has made any sort of personal attack. In fact EVERYONE has based their posts on information provided by Mr. Everett himself, nothing more. True, but it just seemed to me that in addition to the Miramax discussion, people have taken jabs at Charles's political views, his job working for a newspaper, his news sources, etc. I just think steering a whole discussion into a big joke about one person is equivalent of stooping to their level. As if all of the news that spews from CNN and MSNBC and Christ forbid, FOX News is all the truth. Charles isn't exactly popular around here, and people have expressed this more than once. This just seemed to me like another, "We're bored, what makes us tick about Charles?" discussion. Remember the thread about Matthew Bailey? Hell, even Andrew McCrea didn't get this much negative attention. So let's get back to the topic... Why is Charles so pissed at Miramax? Well how about one reason I am pissed at them: Their demand for censorship when they wanted to shoot a film in Times Square when Adbusters had their billboard up. http://adbusters.org/campaigns/flag/nyc/ Second, the incredible potential that never happened with their "re-release" of A Hard Day's Night. Other than that, they've been known to occasionally churn out a good movie or two. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 01-20-2003 04:18 PM                        You know, some people like to be a little devious about stirring things up, while slyly winking and keeping tongue planted firmly in cheek. Maybe we've all been HAD! In all seriousness, speaking for myself, I like a good debate, even if I'm a lousy debater. If it turns out I've been ignorant on the subject of Miramax, I'll admit it and eat crow. "I've been wrong before."  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-20-2003 04:19 PM                     We could make it "Miramax Anonymous" forum. Personally, I think you guys are completely missing Charles' sense of humor, and that he chooses to bash Miramax because he finds it amusing to do so. I certainly find it amusing to watch him. Obligatory why I am not deeply enamored of Miramax: they are not able to provide useful predictions of when their films will be available to the non-theatrical market, and because of this, they've caused us no amount of grief when Miramax films we've scheduled have turned out to be unavailable on the dates we've scheduled them. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 01-20-2003 04:28 PM                     That billboard is located on 42nd Street (between 6th & 7th Aves). That billboard has corporate logos. I'm glad that the banner stayed up . That building and all the properties to the right of that building are going to be razed. For a new office building, the only real loss was a 15 story building that was going tobe converted into affordable housing. From that location, it's not a very good shot of Times Square. There is a place of on the web, that has alot of former Miramax people. Early last fall, Miramax had a large turn out of people in the publicity end.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-20-2003 04:31 PM                     Nobody here is saying that Charles is a bad person or is an idiot or anything like that. From the way I read this thread it seems that people just want to know why Charles does not like Miramax. Asking someone for a reson to back up their statements isn't an insult. Come on Charles, fill us in.  |  IP: Logged Wes Hughes Expert Film Handler Posts: 175 From: Raleigh, NC, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 01-20-2003 04:39 PM                     Interesting is the quote taken from the "rules" of the FT site that says that moderation by the owners of the site is done purely in the case of personal insult. That simply is not true. Moderation is based here on agenda. Everyone has an agenda...even the operator(s) of this site. A person can get defensive, sometimes subconsciously, if their own personal agendas are not being served. I have neither the time or interest to seek out the exact thread at this time, but some time ago someone asked a question that was along the lines of "what ever happened to....?" in inquiry of some of the past members of FT whom had posted much in previous time but very little in the present....Some of them too have grown weary of the agendas, know it all attitudes, veiled insults, and being treated as if a child. Some just don't have the time to devote to posting. I personally won't be bothered with being worried about such things...but some here now, and some here in the past do indeed notice and react to these things.  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 01-20-2003 05:34 PM                     If I were to post invented or misrepresented "facts", I would expect to be corrected. If I were to continue to do so, I completely expect to be bitch-slapped.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-20-2003 06:23 PM                     Wes, An interesting post you have made. If I ignore it, you will continue to serve out your own anger oriented agenda (or to put it bluntly, you will continue to make little hidden stabs around the forums until such point that I reply). If I reply to it, then in your mind you will have proven your point with a defensive reply on my part. Ok whatever, I'll make you happy and explain this to you one last time. I'll even word this defensively for you. Your post above represents your opinions and your general take on how things are moderated here. I'm sure there are others that agree with your opinion and I'm sure there are others that don't agree with that opinion. Regardless, I shouldn't have to remind you of this, but you still don't seem to get it. Regarding moderation decisions, you do not know everything that happens behind the scenes and I do resent your post above because your comment is made out of spite and ignorance to everything that goes on that you are unaware of. Although I'm sure the members here will not really understand the intention in your post above, I feel your comment is made as a quiet stab because of personal issues you have had in the past with the way I run this website. I, like you, do commonly find it not worth my time to be bothered with some things (especially this kind of petty nonsense). You must understand that if something on this site bothers you to a certain point, you can always leave. If something on this site bothers me to a certain point, I have two options. #1 close the site or #2 remove the member. I cannot just leave. (It should be noted that I am not planning on closing the site anytime soon.) Now if you do not like this particular thread, then don't click on it again. Your reading the discussion on this page is your choice. No one is forcing you.  |  IP: Logged Wes Hughes Expert Film Handler Posts: 175 From: Raleigh, NC, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 01-20-2003 07:28 PM                     Quite simply Brad, I do not have any issues with the way this website is run. As you say, it is yours to run as you wish. It was clear very early after my discovery of FT that it is indeed your playground. I would do exactly the same if it were my site. I do think this website is a valuable resource! And like you said, I (and others) am always free to leave...to change the channel. I (and others) do so often. Oh, and I don't make "quiet stabs." At least I don't do so intentionally as I feel they are not worth my time. So far in my life my "stabs" have had a history of being quite loud and well heard, as well as honest, fair, and well thought out. Nevertheless, I will give your comment some more personal thought. Remember that you know very little about me, and I you! I am no child and any campaign you think I may be on to elicit some type of response from you is just silly at best. I do have better things to keep myself occupied in my life than to be quite passive aggressive for no reason to someone I don't even know.  |  IP: Logged Jason Black Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1723 From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 01-20-2003 08:00 PM                        The person, or thread, referenced above was one of my own. I eventually exchanged emails with different parties to obtain waht I hoped would be a "whole" story. I feel that I succeeded, as far as the "whole story" goes. I developed my own opinion from that and the rest is history. Personal agendas aside, there are some very, very knowledgeable people on this forum. Sadly, some have left, and others remained. I, for one, am compelled to visit the site each time I log online, which, more often than not, winds up occuring numerous times a day. I have learned about several different things, been agitated by a few different people, probably agitated as many people, and still have the ability to enjoy the site! There are many varied levels on intellect represented within this forum. It is up to teh sole discretion of the reader of any gievn thread to discern what he/she may from the information contained therein. One must remember, there is no set "tone" in the reading of mere text. There are, quite frankly, some folks who simply, no matter how hard they try, get their point (or idea, or information) across due to the inability to put it in text so that the broad appeal of viewers here are all on the same page. Actually, that is probably impossible for any of us to do! I'm rambling on now. It's also time to hit the floor...  |  IP: Logged Wes Hughes Expert Film Handler Posts: 175 From: Raleigh, NC, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 01-20-2003 08:02 PM                     Well spoken Jason.  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 01-20-2003 08:26 PM                     It seems to me it's appropriate to follow a post you disagree with with a question or rebuttle, but most inappropriate to build up a dossier against a film-tech member, especially from comments made on a forum outside of Film-tech, and then dump a load of crap attacking an individual for his dislike of the practices of a corporation, his political attitudes, etc. Especially when it produces a football pileup of bad-mouthing accusations from me-too yesmen. Frankly, I haven't noticed the complaints being attributed to him, but I appreciate the frequent, highly detailed information Charles continually supplies as to cinemas on both East and West coasts, their auditoriums, booth equipment, and feature film showings, past, present and future. Back off, gentlemen, and consider the 2x4s in your own eyes.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-20-2003 10:03 PM                     Wes, if you wish to continue this little thing of yours offsite (the way it should have been done in the first place) go ahead. Of course I do not know you, and likewise you do not know me. Stating the obvious is a waste of time. Given your past with this site, your post was rude and an insult towards me. Even though it is a minor stab, it's the little things like this that can frequently be more annoying than a direct attack when it is someone you don't even really know. If you want to continue this nonsense of yours here, you won't be any longer. Simple as that.  |  IP: Logged Wes Hughes Expert Film Handler Posts: 175 From: Raleigh, NC, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 01-20-2003 11:07 PM                     Many apologies for causing you to take offense, Mr. Miller. I have no interest in pursing something offsite, mainly since I am somewhat ill informed as to exactly WHAT the issue we would continue is and therefore would not be aptly prepared to quarrel, and partially because I simply do not care (and I do not intend that in a rude way). Once again, it is never my intention to offend.  |  IP: Logged

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