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Mark Ogden
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 - posted 01-30-2003 01:43 PM      Profile for Mark Ogden   Email Mark Ogden   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, John, I'll tell you the truth: I don't know if any movies or HDTV shows have been shot with the Viper. From what I've been able to glean from various industry publications, it has some short film and music video shoots to its credit. I'm not sure what diference it makes what it's shot, the camera exists, the camera system exists, and it's specifications are as I quoted. You could ask the folks over at CML/HD for production titles.

There is nothing at all that is impractical about hard disk recording of video-data, a very good hard drive that would accept the output of the camera is less than the size of a desktop computer frame. Here is one of them:

http://www.dvformat.com/2002/08_aug/features/cw_viper5.htm

It dosn't have to be a hard disk, either, any data-tape system that will accept that much output will do nicely.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 01-30-2003 03:55 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Remember, any viable production SYSTEM has to have the necessary infrastructure in place. That takes time and lots of money, and a demonstrated advantage over existing systems. New technology is great, but it needs a good business case to thrive.

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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 01-30-2003 11:41 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
500GB of storage doesn't seem like very much when it comes to a fully uncompressed HD video stream at 1920 X 1080 pixels. If each frame is fully progressive, I suppose we're talking 5.94MB per frame, or 142.56MB for 24 frames and 178.2MB for 30 frames. Doing the math in my head, I guess that comes out to just under 50 minutes of capacity for 30p HD video. Probably good enough for a camera. But not the capacity one would need if they wanted to store HD video movies on their computer. I guess that's why there's not much copy protection on those "D-Theater" D-VHS tapes.

I don't like the film like terms being used to describe that camera and 500GB disc system. But then I don't think 1920 X 1080 is appropriate for commercial film production and projection. You gotta have a lot more pixels.

Hard disc I/O is a major problem. My opinion is it is the biggest thing holding back incredible advances in computer technology. We have tons of emerging processing and graphics display power that is improving at a fantastic rate. Memory is getting less expensive. But hard discs are very primitive by comparison. What's the best standard now? Ultra320 SCSI RAID? Sounds cool, but is terribly slow compared to old standard RAM.

Something has to happen with mass data storage. Some are championing "solid state" hard discs (just a big chunk of RAM). I forget what other concepts are being promoted. For video streams of significantly higher rez than HD to be practical, we've gotta get data I/O improved.

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