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Author Topic: Space shuttle Columbia appears lost Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 02-01-2003 02:46 PM                        The BBC Radio Four news at 1300 today was speculating about terrorism by about the third sentence (the Israeli astronaut being the hook to hang this on). I'd expected more than tabloid journalism from the BBC.  |  IP: Logged Matthew Bailey Master Film Handler Posts: 461 From: Port Arthur,TX Registered: Sep 2000 posted 02-01-2003 02:58 PM                     The reason Nasa does not want anyone to touch any debris is because it may be contaminated with nitrogen tetroxide (n2o4) which is a propellant for the shuttle reaction control & maneuvering engines. Pleas see http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~draymond/space/n2o4.htm  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-01-2003 02:59 PM                        Here's the web site for STS-107: http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/sts-107/mission-sts-107.html  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 02-01-2003 03:27 PM                     As I was diving to work today, I cannot describe the scowl I had on my face as I thought about some low-life savage putting some wreckage parts of the shuttle on ebay for sale. I certainly hope those rumors were false. I cannot comprehend how anybody would do something like that. To me, a person who would do something like that has achieved a new low in our society. The actual words I have in mind are words that I cannot publish on this forum or thread. This tragedy with the loss of our crew is bad enough, and I am in sorrow about it. This hits home a little harder to me than it does to so some folks, as one of the crew members CDR William McCool of the shuttle was stationed at NAS Whidbey Island, which is practically in my back yard, and flew over my home hundreds of times while he was doing FMLP training. My condolences go out to the families of the entire crew of the shuttle.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 02-01-2003 03:45 PM                        quote: Joe, if the external fuel tank lost a chunk of foam insulation which could have hit the shuttle's wing, a new shuttle would have probably suffered the same fate. You're right Paul, what was I thinking? It would be absolutely STUPID to design a new shuttle. Anyway I clearly said that the shuttle's age was not necessarily the cause. Then I said I wanted to see new shuttles anyway. Please read my entire post next time before replying to it. I have been wanting that for a looooong time (new shuttles). The space shuttle is old technology. Especially when that technology improves exponentially throughout the years.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 02-01-2003 04:00 PM                    Columbia was the only shuttle that could not go to the international space station because it did not have the docking capabilities that the other three do. Therefor this shuttle was used for only conducting scientific experiments and satelite retreavals and launches from orbit. It's next mission was to work on the hubble telescope in 2004. All evidence at this time is pointing to the left wing. If for some reason any deviation in the wings occures will throw off the computer guidence system causeing the shuttle to change course putting it in a catastrophic situation going at 12,000 miles per hour.  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 02-01-2003 05:20 PM                     The seven astronauts who died on Columbia were some of the best trained, intelligent, capable people on the planet, filled with courage, the persuit of knowledge, and the willingness to work hard and take great risks in the persuit of their dreams. We know about the lives of the Americans aboard, since some are repeat voyagers, and their stories have been told, and will be repeated in the media. But for the first time an Israeli citizen, Israeli Air Force Col. Ilan Ramon, was aboard to conduct scientific experiments. He gave his country a great emotional lift after 28 months of bloody conflict with the Palestinians, where Israelis have endured suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks. Ramon, the son of Holocaust survivors, was a decorated veteran of two Israeli wars for survival. He was one of the leading pilots who destroyed Iraq's nuclear weapons facility in a successful pre-emptive strike. His mother and grandmother survived the Auschwitz death camp, and his father was a Zionist who fought for Israel's statehood in the 1940's. He had been training in the US since 1997 for the Columbia Shuttle mission. Israel is in mourning for a hero. [ 02-01-2003, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: Gerard S. Cohen ]  |  IP: Logged John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 02-01-2003 06:09 PM                     The only problem with building a new shuttle is no one wants to pay for it. In fact, Congress seems to feel they've spent enough money, and wants the shuttle fleet to continue to "deliver" without additional expense. So NASA is forced to not only continue using older hardware, but to maintain schedules (research, experiments, etc.) I'm not saying it's right, but there's heavy pressure to keep things going. Remember how long the shuttle fleet kept using magnetic core memories? They didn't get rid of them until the late 1980's. There will probably be the usual "we found poor workmanship, faulty procedures" issues, just like with the Apollo fire and the Challanger explosion. Only this time, they can't ground the fleet for two years because there's people up in the space station.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 02-01-2003 07:09 PM                    Space station personnel can return via a Soyuz capsule if need be. In fact there is one parked up there. The argument for or against building another shuttle is best based on science and how far along we are with designs for a next-generation space vehicle. If that's too far off and there is sufficent need for another shuttle then by all means build one. But if the remaining fleet along with expendable rockets can handle the load until something new comes along then it may not be necessary. It has always been expected that there would be losses due to the laws of probability weighed against the enormous complexity of the whole STS system. BTW, is there an out of state backup for Film-Tech?  |  IP: Logged Jon Miller Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 973 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 02-01-2003 08:06 PM                     Just as sick: some excuse for a human lifeform (I won't post the link to his items-for-sale page because to do so would be extremely tasteless) put up for sale on eBay quickly-produced CDs of pre-disaster STS-107 images culled from NASA's Web site; hundreds of discs, each listed individually with the Buy it Now option. Needless to say, a contingent of eBayers took advantage of Buy it Now and "bought" his discs outright, only to turn around and leave scathing negative feedback and not actually buy the discs. Never have I seen a feedback page with nothing but complaints! That idiot deserved every neg he got even though the "buyers" probably violated eBay rules with their behavior (IMHO, worth the risk). My condolences to the families affected by the disaster...as for the above-mentioned idiot (and clowns like him), it's time to crank up the heat in Hell for him... (Update 6:15 PST: All of the idiot's auctions were shut down and he is no longer a registered user. Hallelujah!) (Another update, 8:35 PM PST: That yahoo took his wares over to Yahoo Auctions. Pray the Yahoo folks have the brains to kick his backside out into outer space! ) [ 02-01-2003, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: Jon Miller ]  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 02-01-2003 08:23 PM                        Not to dwell on a few eBay scumbags, but the seller in that auction for "Columbia debris" that eBay quickly cancelled was in Germany. From what I've heard, all the debris is believed to have fallen in the Texas & Louisiana areas. In any case, the "bidders" had sabotaged the auction by bidding it up to $99M before eBay pulled it.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-01-2003 09:58 PM                     This is what bothered me most about this disaster: When the WTC was blown up, almost immediately, we had people saying, "We'll rebuild it... better than before!" Now that the space shuttle has blown up, we have people doubting the efficacy of the space program. I have sympathy for both WTC victims and their famileis as I do for shuttle victims and their families. The difference is that shuttle astronauts volunteered, full-well knowing the risk that they might not come back in one piece. Pisses me off!  |  IP: Logged Mathew Molloy Master Film Handler Posts: 357 From: The Santa Cruz Mountains Registered: Nov 2000 posted 02-01-2003 10:09 PM                     The media had an interesting fact to go along with this tragedy. For insurance purposes NASA had to estimate that one out of eighty-eight missions would result in a catastophic event. This was the eighty-eighth mission since that day the Challanger was lost.  |  IP: Logged Paul Linfesty Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1383 From: Bakersfield, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 02-01-2003 10:21 PM                     It was with great sadness I heard about this event today. I wasn't able to catch a broadcast about it and only heard about it later in the day. From the time I was in first grade, I was fascinated with space and had dreamed of someday being an astronaut. On show and tell day I would bring in an 8mm projector and NASA films of Gemini to show the other students. Well, childhood dreams oftentimes never pan out, but I always felt I lived the dreams through the brave souls who journeyed past our great atmospheric border. For me, the best way to remember them is to celebrate the fact that they helped contribute to mankind's growth from his petty bickers on earth to a (hopefully) new enlightened era of cooperation and advancement of human achievement. They are the true pioneers of the 21st century and will be remembered as such.  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 02-01-2003 10:25 PM                     I never and probably never will understand why some scumbags can be that rottin' that they try to capitalize on someone's misfortune?  |  IP: Logged

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